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@ Stupid infant travel question

My H will be working in Vienna for 10 days in a couple of weeks, and he asked if I wanted to join him for part of the time. I've always wanted to go there, and this way the company will pay for the hotel. :) I would leave L with MIL, but bring J with me since he's too little to leave behind.

I would love to go, but we don't have a passport for J yet so I told H I couldn't go. He is confident it isn't an issue and we wouldn't need a passport at all for this trip. (He travels to Vienna frequently for the day or over night and has never been asked for an ID, so that's why he says we wouldn't need a passport.)

Has anyone flown within Europe with your infant without a passport?

 

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Re: @ Stupid infant travel question

  • I would think you would definitely need a passport, especially for a baby..you can always call the Austrian consulate and find out. If so, is there any way to get a passport expedited? 
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  • image fernane:
    I would think you would definitely need a passport, especially for a baby..you can always call the Austrian consulate and find out. If so, is there any way to get a passport expedited? 

    That's what I thought, too! But H is "positive" J won't need one.

    We probably could get it expedited for an extra cost, but it's not really worth it just for a last minute getaway, kwim? He will be going back again, so there will be other opportunities.

    I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought H was nuts, or if someone actually had experience going without a passport. :)

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  • This may be a silly question,  but if he doesn't need a passport to travel to and from Austria, why would J?

     

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  • Are you taking the train or flying?  Because CH is part of Schengen there aren't passport controls on that border, but if you're flying you'll probably need to show it for ID purposes.  

    Do kids need ID to fly? 

  • I've crossed the Swiss border many times without my passport.  It's just always been in a car or train.  

    What does your H use as ID at the airport? 

    ETA: The more I think about it the more I agree with your H.  I don't see why the kid would need a passport.  I've flown inter-Schengen before using just my B permit to check in as ID.  I had my passport with me but agent waved it off after seeing the B permit.  It's not like it's a real international flight because there is not passport control.  It should be like flying domestically. 

  • image Emily and Martin:

    image fernane:
    I would think you would definitely need a passport, especially for a baby..you can always call the Austrian consulate and find out. If so, is there any way to get a passport expedited? 

    That's what I thought, too! But H is "positive" J won't need one.

    We probably could get it expedited for an extra cost, but it's not really worth it just for a last minute getaway, kwim? He will be going back again, so there will be other opportunities.

    I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought H was nuts, or if someone actually had experience going without a passport. :)

    I would start the passport process now just so you have it ready for next time if there's going to be more opportunities.  

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  • image Publius:


    Do kids need ID to fly? 

    I don't know if it's just bc I had DS in Asia or what, but they said he absolutely must get a passport to prove he is ours cause so many people try to get babies out or have illegal adoptions, etc. I'm assuming it would be the same other places for the same reasons, but I don't know 

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  • image aMrsin09:

    This may be a silly question,  but if he doesn't need a passport to travel to and from Austria, why would J?

     

    It would make sense that if H doesn't need one, then J shouldn't need one. And that's what H said, but I have this (maybe irrational) fear that because he's a baby, I would need to prove that I'm allowed to take him out of the country or something.  

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  • image Emily and Martin:
    image aMrsin09:

    This may be a silly question,  but if he doesn't need a passport to travel to and from Austria, why would J?

     

    It would make sense that if H doesn't need one, then J shouldn't need one. And that's what H said, but I have this (maybe irrational) fear that because he's a baby, I would need to prove that I'm allowed to take him out of the country or something.  

    Is your H Swiss?  If so does the baby have national ID? 

  • image Publius:

    I've crossed the Swiss border many times without my passport.  It's just always been in a car or train.  

    What does your H use as ID at the airport? 

    ETA: The more I think about it the more I agree with your H.  I don't see why the kid would need a passport.  I've flown inter-Schengen before using just my B permit to check in as ID.  I had my passport with me but agent waved it off after seeing the B permit.  It's not like it's a real international flight because there is not passport control.  It should be like flying domestically. 

    Yes, you're right... I've flown inter-Schengen too and didn't need to show my passport. So that would make sense. We've flown with L several times too, but we had her passport already and I can't remember now if we had to show it for her ID or if we just went through.

     I guess now my question is if a child/baby doesn't have a passport, what would you use as their ID if asked? Their birth certificate?  The last flight I took was back to the States, so I'm having trouble remembering if they ask for ID for a child on inter-Schengen flights...

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    image Emily and Martin:
    image aMrsin09:

    This may be a silly question,  but if he doesn't need a passport to travel to and from Austria, why would J?

     

    It would make sense that if H doesn't need one, then J shouldn't need one. And that's what H said, but I have this (maybe irrational) fear that because he's a baby, I would need to prove that I'm allowed to take him out of the country or something.  

    Is your H Swiss?  If so does the baby have national ID? 

    Yes, H is Swiss. We don't have any ID for the baby yet because H has had a really busy work schedule recently and hasn't had time to request the ID/passport. We have the birth certificate of course, but there's no photo. 

     Maybe I'm making it more complicated than it is? :)

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  • Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...
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    Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...

    They don't ask for id for internal flights within the UK for a child, nor domestic flights in the US. I don't know about the Schengen rules, although I would imagine if your dh never shows a passport then you wouldn't have to either, but I also don't think they will require id of a child simply because it is a child, if that makes sense? 

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    image welshgirl:
    Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...

    They don't ask for id for internal flights within the UK for a child, nor domestic flights in the US. I don't know about the Schengen rules, although I would imagine if your dh never shows a passport then you wouldn't have to either, but I also don't think they will require id of a child simply because it is a child, if that makes sense? 

    While a birth certificate doesn't have a picture it should have both parents names on it. So if you were traveling together and you names matched what's on the birth certificate I wouldn't see a problem. Also I don't think you technically even need to show the BC.

    A call to your gemeinde perhaps? Don't they know just about everything there. :-p

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    image welshgirl:
    Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...

    They don't ask for id for internal flights within the UK for a child, nor domestic flights in the US. I don't know about the Schengen rules, although I would imagine if your dh never shows a passport then you wouldn't have to either, but I also don't think they will require id of a child simply because it is a child, if that makes sense? 

    I'm not doubting you, but really? It was my understanding that everyone needed photo id to fly (domestically as well as internationally) - be it a passport or a drivers' license, and if too young, then birth certificate. Obviously I don't know anything about schengen rules, but I could see them makign an issue of it. Though, if your names are both on the bc, and you have photo id to proove who you are if asked, then it's probably not an issue. I guess I just can't imagine any international travel without a passport, and so much of my travel involves international travel, I jsut associate passports with travel...

    Mum to W (4) and M (nearly 2)
  • image welshgirl:
    image frlcb:

    image welshgirl:
    Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...

    They don't ask for id for internal flights within the UK for a child, nor domestic flights in the US. I don't know about the Schengen rules, although I would imagine if your dh never shows a passport then you wouldn't have to either, but I also don't think they will require id of a child simply because it is a child, if that makes sense? 

    I'm not doubting you, but really? It was my understanding that everyone needed photo id to fly (domestically as well as internationally) - be it a passport or a drivers' license, and if too young, then birth certificate. Obviously I don't know anything about schengen rules, but I could see them msking an issue of it. Though, if your names are both on the bc, and you have photo id to prove who you are if asked, then it's probably not an issue. I guess I just can't imagine any international travel without a passport, and so much of my travel involves international travel, I just associate passports with travel...

    For the US 17 and under don't need ID's to fly domestically. 

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  • image welshgirl:
    image frlcb:

    image welshgirl:
    Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...

    They don't ask for id for internal flights within the UK for a child, nor domestic flights in the US. I don't know about the Schengen rules, although I would imagine if your dh never shows a passport then you wouldn't have to either, but I also don't think they will require id of a child simply because it is a child, if that makes sense? 

    I'm not doubting you, but really? It was my understanding that everyone needed photo id to fly (domestically as well as internationally) - be it a passport or a drivers' license, and if too young, then birth certificate. Obviously I don't know anything about schengen rules, but I could see them makign an issue of it. Though, if your names are both on the bc, and you have photo id to proove who you are if asked, then it's probably not an issue. I guess I just can't imagine any international travel without a passport, and so much of my travel involves international travel, I jsut associate passports with travel...

    No, they don't. Kids under 18 do not need any form of photo id in the US, and while I don't know the age in the UK I know we have flown between Newcastle and London and not had to show any id for our kids. A birth certificate proves nothing other than age, there is no photo so you could take any bc for a child and there is no way to prove if it is actually that child. 

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    image welshgirl:
    image frlcb:

    image welshgirl:
    Yeah, my concern would not so much be that bayb needs a passport, per se, but needs ID to prove that you're mum and not trying to abduct him. That's why I'd be concerned that you would be refused the flight...

    They don't ask for id for internal flights within the UK for a child, nor domestic flights in the US. I don't know about the Schengen rules, although I would imagine if your dh never shows a passport then you wouldn't have to either, but I also don't think they will require id of a child simply because it is a child, if that makes sense? 

    I'm not doubting you, but really? It was my understanding that everyone needed photo id to fly (domestically as well as internationally) - be it a passport or a drivers' license, and if too young, then birth certificate. Obviously I don't know anything about schengen rules, but I could see them msking an issue of it. Though, if your names are both on the bc, and you have photo id to prove who you are if asked, then it's probably not an issue. I guess I just can't imagine any international travel without a passport, and so much of my travel involves international travel, I just associate passports with travel...

    For the US 17 and under don't need ID's to fly domestically. 

    Correct. Under 18 requires no id to travel. The only time you may be asked is if you have a lap child and they want to prove the child is under 2.

    Here is something from the flyBe site about minors in the UK, it appears it is children under 16 there - 

    Children and domestic travel

    Children under the age of 16 do not need to show ID on domestic routes. The adult they are travelling with can vouch for the infant's/child's identification, providing the relevant photo ID is shown (by the adult). On International routes a passport will be required.

    Flybe is legally responsible for ensuring children over the age of one-year-364-days do not travel on the lap of another passenger. When travelling with an infant on a domestic route, therefore, please ensure you bring either a birth certificate or passport to prove date of birth. On International routes a passport will be required. 

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  • image Emily and Martin:

    My H will be working in Vienna for 10 days in a couple Gof weeks, and he asked if I wanted to join him for part of the time. I've always wanted to go there, and this way the company will pay for the hotel. :) I would leave L with MIL, but bring J with me since he's too little to leave behind.

    I would love to go, but we don't have a passport for J yet so I told H I couldn't go. He is confident it isn't an issue and we wouldn't need a passport at all for this trip. (He travels to Vienna frequently for the day or over night and has never been asked for an ID, so that's why he says we wouldn't need a passport.)

    Has anyone flown within Europe with your infant without a passport?

     

    Perhaps the most absolute answer will come from the airline you intend to fly with. Could you contact them and just ask straight out what to do? At least that way you won't possibly 'waste' the air fare... 

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