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Don't ask, Don't Tell...

Check it out here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/politics/28tell.html?src=mv

Opinions? Thoughts? What would you have voted? How do you think the report will turn out? If completely passed, what changes do you think will take place within the military/between soldiers?

 I know talking politics can lead to debates, but I like the conversation, and I like to be challenged. :o) Please be respectful/friendly.

 

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Re: Don't ask, Don't Tell...

  • I personally feel that this is not a matter of "rights". In the military you forego any "rights" and are subject to their rules and their way of life.

    I have generations of family within the military, and all agree that passing this bill will cause severe bullying and fighting between soldiers.

    I would have voted against, because I feel that revoking that ban will cause "drama" within the military, therefore not allowing them to perform as expected/needed.

    Not having any experience in military services (other than family members), I'm not sure how it would change if at all. For me, it's a moral and values thing as well as the question of why it matters in the first place.

     

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  • "Supporters of the repeal hailed it as a matter of basic fairness and civil rights."

    Definitely this. For me personally, I don't understand how this law could ever have come into place.

    I think it is extremely demoralizing and discriminating to ask people to put their sexuality aside due to the military's discomfort with it.

    This is one of the reasons I have such a negative view of our military.

    I hope it passes, I think it will but not by much.

    There will definitely be an adjustment period in the military and I would bet my life on the fact that there will be some hate crimes within the military that will be immediately covered up by the military closing ranks.

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  • I feel like it is wholly unfair for the government to ask a person in the military to defend and die for their country but don't mention that you like boys.

    I know there is a huge difference between civilian and military, but in this case, I feel like there is a huge amount of discrimination. If there were to be bullying in the military over it, it should be handled like any other form of discrimination. I would hope someone would get punished for calling someone a racial/religious slur. Why should it stop there?



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    I think it should be repealed, but I also think there should be some program in place to ensure that homosexuals are not mistreated by others in the military. I fear that they would be physically/mentally tormented, which is sad.
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  • Thanks for sharing that letter. That really did touch me.

    I am definitely republican, and conservative. I guess my opinion stems from my belief that homosexuality is wrong. I have many friends that are gay, and I love them to pieces. i am never disrespectful or hurtful to them, and they know exactly how I feel about their lifestyle.

     I never really considered the emotional issues that can take place by not being able to just talk/share feelings. 

    The issue I have is people stating it's a "right". Like I said, in the military...heterosexual or  homosexual...you don't have rights. 

    After reading this letter, I do think I'll be reexamining my opinions on this matter.

    *This is why I like talking politics...I want to be challenged and I love to learn from others.* 

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  • image Riss91:
    I think it should be repealed, but I also think there should be some program in place to ensure that homosexuals are not mistreated by others in the military. I fear that they would be physically/mentally tormented, which is sad.

    I worry about this, and what Jillian posted really opened my eyes. I thought DADT was more about "we don't care about your sexual orientation" than the "keep it a secret or get in trouble" feeling that letter gives. I really have no idea whether I'm in favor of it or not now.

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    Thanks for sharing that letter. That really did touch me.

    I am definitely republican, and conservative. I guess my opinion stems from my belief that homosexuality is wrong. I have many friends that are gay, and I love them to pieces. i am never disrespectful or hurtful to them, and they know exactly how I feel about their lifestyle.

     I never really considered the emotional issues that can take place by not being able to just talk/share feelings. 

    The issue I have is people stating it's a "right". Like I said, in the military...heterosexual or  homosexual...you don't have rights. 

    After reading this letter, I do think I'll be reexamining my opinions on this matter.

    *This is why I like talking politics...I want to be challenged and I love to learn from others.* 

    I think my problem with this law is that I do not believe that homosexuality is wrong, in any shape or form. I believe that you are *born* that way and therefore, (if you believe in god, which I don't) how can god judge you for how he made you?

    It's just another lifestyle, the exact same thing at heterosexuality. And, don't forget about bisexuals - who seem to get the discrimination from both sides, as I can certainly attest to.

    I also think it is a right to be able to be gay and to openly talk about it while IN the military. Since the military is obviously run by the US, this is basically saying that the US condones this type of emotional torture (because it certainly is emotionally draining to have to keep most of your life a secret while at work) and I just can't understand that at all.

    Why is the military different than any other job?

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  • I understand why they had the law.  There are some men in the military who use words like "fag" and would really be mean, violent and terrible to open homosexuals in the military - I don't think anyone can deny that. 

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    I think it should be repealed, but I also think there should be some program in place to ensure that homosexuals are not mistreated by others in the military. I fear that they would be physically/mentally tormented, which is sad.

    Ditto. And, I don't believe it's the individuals', who are gay, lesbians or bisexual, obligation to do that. Just as in any other corporation, it is the leaders' responsibility to implement these no hate and hazing laws and to make sure that they are carried out 100%.

    I am stunned by how far behind the times the military, and the US by extension, is. It's sickening to me.

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  • image shmoo-lou:

    Thanks for sharing that letter. That really did touch me.

    I am definitely republican, and conservative. I guess my opinion stems from my belief that homosexuality is wrong. I have many friends that are gay, and I love them to pieces. i am never disrespectful or hurtful to them, and they know exactly how I feel about their lifestyle.

     I never really considered the emotional issues that can take place by not being able to just talk/share feelings. 

    The issue I have is people stating it's a "right". Like I said, in the military...heterosexual or  homosexual...you don't have rights. 

    After reading this letter, I do think I'll be reexamining my opinions on this matter.

    *This is why I like talking politics...I want to be challenged and I love to learn from others.* 

    I'm not republican or conservative, but I have a faith based foundational belief about homosexuality. Even though I'm heterosexual, I still do not feel like I have the right to judge this thing as the one thing that people can't commit in order for them to not have basic rights. If you're going to judge a military person for being homosexual, judge all the others for having sex outside of marriage, for cheating on their spouses. Sexual sin in Christianity, is sexual sin. Why be so specific in your discrimination? (btw... this isn't just directed at you, but in general.)

    To say this(above), is to say that women shouldn't protect their country. That heterosexuals shouldn't be allowed to greet their families upon arrival. It is saying they don't have rights to do that.

    Heterosexuals do have freedoms (rights) to live with their families on base housing. To discuss freely about adopting a baby, or having a baby.

    My point is what does their homosexuality have to do with their ability to save lives or protect our country? Absolutely nothing, just like gender or heterosexuality has nothing to do with that ability.

    Shmoo - I know you said you'll be reexamining your opinions, I am glad that you are. I don't think you should waver on your faith or beliefs. I do think that mutual respect and rights should have no limit.



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  • image SocialWorker2B:
    image shmoo-lou:

    Thanks for sharing that letter. That really did touch me.

    I am definitely republican, and conservative. I guess my opinion stems from my belief that homosexuality is wrong. I have many friends that are gay, and I love them to pieces. i am never disrespectful or hurtful to them, and they know exactly how I feel about their lifestyle.

     I never really considered the emotional issues that can take place by not being able to just talk/share feelings. 

    The issue I have is people stating it's a "right". Like I said, in the military...heterosexual or  homosexual...you don't have rights. 

    After reading this letter, I do think I'll be reexamining my opinions on this matter.

    *This is why I like talking politics...I want to be challenged and I love to learn from others.* 

    I think my problem with this law is that I do not believe that homosexuality is wrong, in any shape or form. I believe that you are *born* that way and therefore, (if you believe in god, which I don't) how can god judge you for how he made you?

    It's just another lifestyle, the exact same thing at heterosexuality. And, don't forget about bisexuals - who seem to get the discrimination from both sides, as I can certainly attest to.

    I also think it is a right to be able to be gay and to openly talk about it while IN the military. Since the military is obviously run by the US, this is basically saying that the US condones this type of emotional torture (because it certainly is emotionally draining to have to keep most of your life a secret while at work) and I just can't understand that at all.

    Why is the military different than any other job?

    That is not Christian belief. Christian belief is that every sinful act is a choice. It is not the way God made us. It is not limited to homosexuality, but does include it.



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  • I agree with Smo on this:

    Shmoo - I know you said you'll be reexamining your opinions, I am glad that you are. I don't think you should waver on your faith or beliefs. I do think that mutual respect and rights should have no limit.



    Ditto.  I'm not saying too much, because I agree with both of you completely.  I know the intentions of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" weren't pure... but I do worry that certain groups/barracks/etc... won't take very kindly too open homosexuals serving side-by-side with them.  Is it probably a deep-seated homophobia? Yup.

    Also - i don't quite understand why people get their panties so twisted about homosexuality as the most terrible sinful thing.  A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin.

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    Thanks for sharing that letter. That really did touch me.

    I am definitely republican, and conservative. I guess my opinion stems from my belief that homosexuality is wrong. I have many friends that are gay, and I love them to pieces. i am never disrespectful or hurtful to them, and they know exactly how I feel about their lifestyle.

     I never really considered the emotional issues that can take place by not being able to just talk/share feelings. 

    The issue I have is people stating it's a "right". Like I said, in the military...heterosexual or  homosexual...you don't have rights. 

    After reading this letter, I do think I'll be reexamining my opinions on this matter.

    *This is why I like talking politics...I want to be challenged and I love to learn from others.* 

    I think my problem with this law is that I do not believe that homosexuality is wrong, in any shape or form. I believe that you are *born* that way and therefore, (if you believe in god, which I don't) how can god judge you for how he made you?

    It's just another lifestyle, the exact same thing at heterosexuality. And, don't forget about bisexuals - who seem to get the discrimination from both sides, as I can certainly attest to.

    I also think it is a right to be able to be gay and to openly talk about it while IN the military. Since the military is obviously run by the US, this is basically saying that the US condones this type of emotional torture (because it certainly is emotionally draining to have to keep most of your life a secret while at work) and I just can't understand that at all.

    Why is the military different than any other job?

    That is not Christian belief. Christian belief is that every sinful act is a choice. It is not the way God made us. It is not limited to homosexuality, but does include it.

    I guess that's the part I can't wrap my mind around. It just doesn't compute.

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    Ditto.  I'm not saying too much, because I agree with both of you completely.  I know the intentions of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" weren't pure... but I do worry that certain groups/barracks/etc... won't take very kindly too open homosexuals serving side-by-side with them.  Is it probably a deep-seated homophobia? Yup.

    Also - i don't quite understand why people get their panties so twisted about homosexuality as the most terrible sinful thing.  A sin is a sin is a sin is a sin.

    I agree that this will happen.

    I also think that those soldiers who engage in those hateful acts should be dishonorably discharged.

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  • image JillianAshley6:

    I consider myself a Republican, and a conservative. However, DADT is one area conservatives get it wrong. The policy needs to be overturned. I'm alllll for small government, and this is one area the gov needs to get out of. Let these people live their lives.

     

    Ditto! Pretty much my feelings word for word.

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