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Hot button issue...

The new phys. ed curriculum is coming out in Ontario elementary schools and some people are all worked up about it.

http://www.windsorstar.com/health/guidelines+draw+fire/2931073/story.html

On my Facebook, someone wrote :

"Teaching young kids about homosexuality, masturbation, anal sex, gender identity in schools? This is messed up!!!!!!!!! "

 

 

WDYT?

Re: Hot button issue...

  • I absolutely support this. I used to work at OPTions for Sexual Health BC and I was shocked by the misinfomation sexually active teens have- one girl told me that washing your vagina with Coke after sex will prevent pregnancy and the transmission of STDs!

    Really, I don't see teaching kids about homosexuality is any different than teaching kids that all races are equal, and I think that all kids need a good sexual health education. It really saddens me that some parents think that this isn't appropriate for children. I'm sure most parents would like to think that their kids aren't having sex, or aren't gay, but the fact is that many of these parents are wrong.

    Bottom line, for me- we, as parents, do have the right to educate our kids. If you don't like what is being taught in public schools, which are funded by and reflect the values of the government, then homeschool.

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  • I am a firm believer of detailed sex education.  The more detailed the better.  We had fairly detailed sex ed. We were taught about homosexuality.  We were taught about STDs.  We were taught about orgasms and masterbation.  Not just reproduction. 

    My cousins were not.  They are much younger.  A couple years ago I took a bunch of flack for being the one they came to for questions and not their parents.  Some of the questions were incredible.   When your 16 year old cousin calls you to say that they need you to take them to the hospital because they had sex for the first time and it really hurt and now they are bleeding, you know there is a problem.   I doubt she would have been as freaked out if she had had a sex ed class or two.  I also doubt she would have come to me with as many questions as she did had she had the classes.

    Not to mention since sex ed has basically stopped a lot of kids do a lot of things that are dangerous.  Like having unprotected oral sex because they think that since it's not sex they can't get an STD.  I want my kids to feel they can talk to me about sex,  in the event they can't,  I want them to be getting their education from someone I can trust ( like a teacher )  and not some friend or a random magazine. 

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  • ITA with both of you. I will be teaching this curriculum and am looking forward to it! I have always included same-sex couples as part of my teachings anyway because I like to present a well-rounded, inclusive curriculum. I think that students should see their experience reflected in the materials presented so that they feel validated and are then more likely to care about what is being taught. I understand that not all children/parents agree with my stance on homosexuality and some kids will express this loudly and frequently. I always tell them that they are more than welcome to their opinion and that I am not going to try to change it, but we welcome everyone in our classroom.

    On Facebook, one of the things I said to this woman was that we should be teaching 11 year olds about masturbation. Many of them are doing it and they should know that it isn't wrong or something to be ashamed of.

  • I agree that they should have as much exposure to information as possible. We plan on talking to B before he learns it in school so he can ask us questions if he is comfortable.

    But I think 8 is way to young for some of those topics. So as long as they spread them out and teach a bit each year (age appropriate) then I support it. 

  • I just have a sec to respond...I just want to say that *anything* that might help kids not call a penis a "willy" or a "wee wee" is ok in my books! I have a friend who is a nurse, she is so refreshing about the way she talks about sexuality and anatomy to her own child and my nephews. My little Andy-Roo is only 7 and has a very curious mind, we have already had a very in depth "when rap songs talk about poosy (the Nest made me spell it this way) they are referring to a vagina" chat! lmao

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    I agree that they should have as much exposure to information as possible. We plan on talking to B before he learns it in school so he can ask us questions if he is comfortable.

    But I think 8 is way to young for some of those topics. So as long as they spread them out and teach a bit each year (age appropriate) then I support it. 

    I would think they would.  We started sex ed in grade 1 (maybe even kindergarten) but it was more the differences between boys and girls and that your parts were private and not for others to touch.  And what to do if someone did touch you, and that even if they said it was okay it wasn't, etc. 

    Each year we got more detail/different information until we were older and actually studied the reproductive system. 

    Also I agree with the one response to the article that 8 is too young to be learning about sex and relationships.  However I think they're deluding themselves if they think their 8 year old isn't already hearing things (likely misinformation) from the kids they go to school with. 

    And I see no harm in acknowledging there are different kinds of relationships, telling a kid about same sex couples is not going to make them gay.  However it may help the kid who is gay and struggling with being different feel more comfortable.  That is one of the groups of adolescents with the highest suicide rates, whether or not you agree with/condone the lifestyle I would hope if your child was in that group you'd like them to feel they had somewhere to turn and someone who could understand. 

  • I like the idea of providing this information.

    I remember feeling blindsided when I learned as a teenager that my uncle is gay - why didn't my mom tell me sooner? Why was it a secret?

    I have a friend who, just now in his 30s, is discovering gender identity issues, after spending his whole life feeling uncomfortable in his skin. Why did he have to spend more than 30 years feeling like something was wrong with him?

    But yeah, I agree with Jen&Joe that this is a bit overkill for 8 year olds. I remember "family life" classes in elementary school which might be an appropriate time to talk about homosexuality, but I think the other stuff is more appropriate closer to puberty.

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  • Also, this reminds me of my hairdresser telling me about her attempts to explain homosexuality to her 5 year old.  It came up while they were listening to the radio on their way home from school because he wanted to know why a girl was kissing another girl (Katy Perry, "I Kissed a Girl")

    Like I said, they hear things. 

  • For a non-parent i have lots of thoughts on this.  So maybe my opinion will change but i don't understand the thinking of "telling our kids about sex (any kind) will only encourage them to go have it".  There are quotes in the article I just read with people against "teaching kids the pleasures of masturbation, anal sex and gay sex".  Like really?  Telling them these happen are telling them it's great go do it?  Telling a girl you can catch an STD even if you give her oral sex (i've heard that on Oprah, very young girls didn't know this) is not "here's how you give a proper blow job" and probably good information for them to have.

    We tell kids about the holocaust, no one protests that we're encouraging them to be Nazis. 

    I'd assume telling them about gay relationships doesn't mean they're all going to search for a same sex partner to make out with.

    People baffle me.

  • image Jen&Joe06:

    I agree that they should have as much exposure to information as possible. We plan on talking to B before he learns it in school so he can ask us questions if he is comfortable.

    But I think 8 is way to young for some of those topics. So as long as they spread them out and teach a bit each year (age appropriate) then I support it. 

     I totally agree!
    My god son is 9 and I see him and he still thinks girls are eww; and that girls kissing is like his mom and grandma kissing.. it is friendly and innocent.. I think that maybe the age level of the material may need to be looked at and re assessed.
    As a educator it is amazing how un educated youth and teens are about sex education!

  • Here is the document:

     

    http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/curriculum/elementary/health18curr2010.pdf

    It does not go into details about anal sex in Gr. 3. What it does talk about is different relationships and families. I think it introduces information in amounts that children of specific ages can handle. This was not something that was written on a whim. It took dozens of people a couple of years to develop this. I'm sure the sexual education part was not taken lightly because they anticipated the province's reaction.

  • this seems like a great idea to me.  Knowledge is power and kids should be empowered to know about these topics from adults in a respectful way.

    I was lucky because my mother was/is very open about sex/sexuality etc.  Nothing was a mystery or taboo and always explained to me in an age appropriate way. It's life and for my friends who weren't exposed their curiosity about things were WAY stronger than mine. I had no illusions. 

  • I think sex education is SOOOO important and that kids are ready for it before we think they are. 
  • I don't have kids... yet. but I do have 4 nieces.
    IMO I think that parents who shield and try to hide sexuality from children and skirt around these issues only set up their kids to go find out for themselves. Kids are generally attracted to things they can't have or that are a mystery. It's better to provide a safe environment to talk about it than have them fend for themselves and be mis-informed

    I don't remember much about sex ed in school, but I know it was there. I just remember thinking how awkward the teacher looked.

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