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Thoughts on thie Occupy Wall Street business?

A friend of mine posted this ( http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/Introduction ) on FB today. Normally I agree with her politically, but I can't get down with this whole movement, if you can even call it that. I read through a bunch of the letters and most of it sounds like whiny "we don't have an effing clue how Wall Street even works but we need to blame someone " griping.

Oops, should I have given this a flammable warning?

Re: Thoughts on thie Occupy Wall Street business?

  • I have to agree with you.  My dad works on the Chicago version of Wall Street (and is probably the most loving and generous man you will ever meet as are all of his business partners and the people he works with).  My fvcking sister and brother have been at the Occupy Chicago to protest corporations and the big bad market.  Guess who and what is financing her whole life?  She has never had a job, paid bills, or generally lived in the real world.  She thinks the only job she should ever have is her dream job and will take nothing short of that.  She's 22!!  Now, yes, this is partly my parents' fault.  They grew up with nothing at all.  My father worked his way up from the very bottom to be where he is today.  They both wanted to give all of us the best possible start to life.  For some reason, the first 3 of us learned drive, ambition, and responsibility.  The last few learned absolutely nothing.  All they do is protest right outside the building where my father, brother, and cousin all work, hackling people.

    Reading all of their propaganda is just infuriating.  Apparently, the mint is run by private corporations and not the government.  And it needs to fail so the country can run the way it really should.  Oh, and let's not forget that the government should do everything for us.  K.  

    Sorry, this is something that is very personal as I have grown up around these people all my life.   I completely understand that there are bad apples in the bunch, but that is true for any place, any profession, and any thing really.  That doesn't make them all evil money grubbing demons.

  • I think people feel frustrated and hopeless. Our economy is in the crapper with no end in sight and people are desperate. We are divided, our leaders can't compromise on anything...people are scared and this is how this group of people chose to react.
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  • Yeah, don't these darn kids have anything better to do?

    Oh wait, no. No they don't. Now why is that?

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    Yeah, don't these darn kids have anything better to do?

    Oh wait, no. No they don't. Now why is that?

    Maybe, with all that free time, they could research their local business codes and lobby their state's gov't to change the restrictions on business?  Maybe look into researching and lobbying for a fair tax?  Lower the US corporate tax rate so that companies stop sending their operations overseas?  Perhaps even research how their "dream economy" has worked in other countries? That's just off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are plenty of more constructive things they could be doing to effect the change they want. 

    But definitely blame business, that's the way to go.  Certainly not the politicians (local, state, fed) who are strangling small and large businesses all over the country.

    Besides, we all know that its easier to b*tch and moan about something than actually do the (usually) hard work to make big changes.

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    Yeah, don't these darn kids have anything better to do?

    Oh wait, no. No they don't. Now why is that?

    Maybe, with all that free time, they could research their local business codes and lobby their state's gov't to change the restrictions on business?  Maybe look into researching and lobbying for a fair tax?  Lower the US corporate tax rate 

    Because this is exactly the kind of change they want to see. Hmm

    Not everyone is a fiscal conservative who gets off on the bs of a trickle down economy. 

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    Yeah, don't these darn kids have anything better to do?

    Oh wait, no. No they don't. Now why is that?

    Maybe, with all that free time, they could research their local business codes and lobby their state's gov't to change the restrictions on business?  Maybe look into researching and lobbying for a fair tax?  Lower the US corporate tax rate 

    Because this is exactly the kind of change they want to see. Hmm

    Not everyone is a fiscal conservative who gets off on the bs of a trickle down economy. 

    Oh, I agree, but they're also complaining that the economy is in the tank, too, yes?  (From their site - " gesture of our discontent with the current economic and political climate")  Well, let's figure out why the economy is in the tank and make the changes needed to get things back on track.  Too much legislation is stifling.  To much stifling and things come to a halt.  

    And if they really want to see what massive legislation will do to economy they should take a look at Greece and parts of Europe and the riots taking place there.  Although, maybe they got on board with the riot part but decided to just ignore that pesky can't-get-blood-from-a-stone thing.

    One doesn't need to be fiscal conservative to realize that the more we tighten the noose the less oxygen and blood get to the brain, yes?  So, even if you aren't a fiscal conservative, if you want more revenue (taxes) you have to ensure that your economy is productive so that businesses can pay their taxes and can keep people employed so they can pay their taxes, too.  My point being - you can choke something out or let it flourish - which do you think you'll get more out of? 

    Seriously, its not rocket science.

    FWIW, most people aren't thrilled with the way things are.  All I'm saying that marching on Wall St. isn't really going to help.  What would help is lobbying to change the policies that are stifling our economy.

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    But definitely blame business, that's the way to go.  Certainly not the politicians (local, state, fed) who are strangling small and large businesses all over the country.

    This is part of their argument - that the richest people and the corporations have control over the government (through their lobbyists), the media, etc.

    My best friend has been down there a few times and we had a long conversation about it yesterday. She is extremely intelligent and well-spoken, so she's able to articulate various aspects of the "movement", but the average "hippie on the Street" can't. If they don't get one (or two or three) polarizing voice down there, some sort of leadership, I think this "movement" is going to fizzle out pretty quickly.

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  • Something else I wanted to say: I think my biggest problem with protests is that they seem more like inaction than action to me. If you want to change something, go through the proper channels. Sure, getting arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge brings notoriety, but it doesn't bring about real and lasting change. 

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  • I think them the Mary Sue of protests. They've said nearly nothing so everyone gets to guess what they mean and insert whatever makes them feel better or sets them off onto the agenda.

    Some of them are dressed up as zombies, ffs! Others are spouting wackadoo conspiracy theories, espousing communism, or just going at it Anonymous style. You can't tell me that's a real protest.

    Maybe I'm just a meanie mcmeanerson.



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    Some of them are dressed up as zombies, ffs! Others are spouting wackadoo conspiracy theories, espousing communism, or just going at it Anonymous style. You can't tell me that's a real protest.

    Maybe I'm just a meanie mcmeanerson.

    I read an article where one dude was allowed to get in front of a camera and say that he thought the goal of the protests should be to ban combustion engines.

    I'm on Team Abs... there really is something to protest here, but if they don't get a cohesive argument soon, preferably from someone who isn't dressed like they're caught in a patchouli-smelling time warp to 1967 Haight Ashbury, it's going to be a big fat waste.

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  • Okay, so I haven't fully read all of the responses.  Here's my take which I am sure will not be as articulate as I would like.  I get that people are frustrated and it seems justified to me with as bad as the economy is.  These protests just don't seem to be a way to resolve anything IMO.  There is no set leader.  People are protesting different things.  It seems that some people do not even individually know why they are protesting.  I am not trying to say that every protest has to be perfectly organized and I am grateful to live in a country where we can protest, but these protests will hardly have the impact of the boycotts of the MLK era.
  • Crowds are also starting to occupy the street in front of GoldmanSachs in Jersey City.
  • As long as it doesn't turn into chaos and all-out violence, I'm good.

    Protesting is a part of our culture and even if there isn't a clearly defined cause or issue it makes me feel better that these people can assemble and not be beaten or gassed by cops.

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    As long as it doesn't turn into chaos and all-out violence, I'm good.

    Protesting is a part of our culture and even if there isn't a clearly defined cause or issue it makes me feel better that these people can assemble and not be beaten or gassed by cops.

    Except they were. That's what led to the sit-in at One Police Plaza. You can watch tons of video on YouTube, some of it is pretty graphic. I do know some people who have been a part of the protests that have seen it in person. Unfortunately the police are playing into the protestors hands, especially with all that orange netting - talk about a great metaphor to give the hippies about being "penned in by societal dictates" and shiit.

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    image pedantic_wench:

    As long as it doesn't turn into chaos and all-out violence, I'm good.

    Protesting is a part of our culture and even if there isn't a clearly defined cause or issue it makes me feel better that these people can assemble and not be beaten or gassed by cops.

    Except they were. That's what led to the sit-in at One Police Plaza. You can watch tons of video on YouTube, some of it is pretty graphic. I do know some people who have been a part of the protests that have seen it in person. Unfortunately the police are playing into the protestors hands, especially with all that orange netting - talk about a great metaphor to give the hippies about being "penned in by societal dictates" and shiit.

    Oh, that's not good.

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  • Sorry, side topic. Pedantic I only JUST realized what your siggy is and I LOVE IT.
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  • They really are unorganized. It's difficult to see them accomplishing anything when it seems like the majority of the protesters aren't actually sure what they are trying to accomplish.

    They seem to know what they don't want, but what do they want? It's not clear to me.

    I agree with everything that muddled said. You should listen to her. -ESDReturns
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    Sorry, side topic. Pedantic I only JUST realized what your siggy is and I LOVE IT.

    Haha! New season started, gotta represent.

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  • They refuse to have any sort of leadership because then they would just be like "the man".  They have people they consider liaisons, but that changes daily.  The Occupy Chicago mission statement is all of 2 sentences (more or less).  My sister and brother can give you a laundry list of what they are protesting, but most of it isn't even discussed in many of the articles.   

    My father had a good giggle because the march in Chicago only went about half a block.  They marched from the Fed Reserve to the front of the CBOE.  They claim they aren't protesting the CBOE yet they harass people going in and out of that building.  I'm waiting for the day it's one of our family they harass.  

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