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What did you think of Obamas speech

To me he sounded even more like a Socailist dresses in Democrats clothes.

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Re: What did you think of Obamas speech

  • I don't like ObamaZip it!

  • Please read the communist manefesto. 

    I was actually leaning toward Obama in the beginning (to the consternation of my DH).  But as his platform and rhetoric grew, I pulled out my copy (had to rummage in the attic).  

    There are some speeches that are so damn close, it is scary.  

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  • I haven't watched any of the DNC but have Tivo'd The Colbert Report and The Daily Show to see if I can get some truth. hhahaha.,
  • I thought it was great!
  • I may be naive in buying what he's selling, but I do.  I want to believe that all this can make a difference and that our country can become better, stronger, and back on top. 

    If that's drinking the kool-aid, that fine. 

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  • I felt really inspired by it. He didn't say the government should be the solution to all of our problems, but it should at least try to help, and definitely not make them worse. I agree with his condemnation of the administration for the last 8 years, and I look forward to the changes and economic plans he would like to implement.
  • Sounds like Socialism to me too. 

    So many new great programs, but who is going to fund these programs?  He claims that he is going to cut taxes for 90 or 95% of Americans? Really? 

    He glossed over the issues so quickly.  I might be cynical, but I am not buying it. 

  • image Em1008:

    Sounds like Socialism to me too. 

    So many new great programs, but who is going to fund these programs?  He claims that he is going to cut taxes for 90 or 95% of Americans? Really? 

    He glossed over the issues so quickly.  I might be cynical, but I am not buying it. 

     

    I don't really buy that part either. But I did really enjoy the speech, and did agree with a lot of what he had to day. My DH and I are having a heck of time affording health care, if he can reduce our premium, then that's fantastic!

    On the other hand, I am terrified of trusting what any politician has to say. I feel like we've been let down a lot as a country. I am excited that no matter what we're either getting an African American or a Woman in the White House. That in itself shows progress!!

  • image Ilumine:

    Please read the communist manefesto. 

    ..as his platform and rhetoric grew, I pulled out my copy (had to rummage in the attic).  

    There are some speeches that are so damn close, it is scary.  

    Why do you have a copy of the Communist Manefesto in your attic?

    ....just wondering =)

  • I'd actually be happy to have a socialist government (seems to work pretty well for the Scandanavians), so I don't think he went far enough, but he's definitely a hell of a speaker and the best chance this country has to put "regular people" back in a more comfortable position.
  • In one breath he grazes over personal responsibilities then he turns around and says "You are your brothers and sisters keeper". Hey what happond to personal responsibilities?

  • image amanjay:
    I'd actually be happy to have a socialist government (seems to work pretty well for the Scandanavians), so I don't think he went far enough, but he's definitely a hell of a speaker and the best chance this country has to put "regular people" back in a more comfortable position.
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    In one breath he grazes over personal responsibilities then he turns around and says "You are your brothers and sisters keeper". Hey what happond to personal responsibilities?

    Do you really not believe that we, as a society, have a moral obligation to help those of us who are unable to help themselves?  If that's socialism, sign me up.

  • No what I am saying is I am not another persons keeper. People have to be responsible for their choises and society should not have to bail then out of their mistakes. Nor should our government be responsible for my thoughts or actions. They are mine and I will be resposible for them just like my neighbor should his.
  • Also I want to know why would someone NOT be able to help themselves? To me that is a cop out. The only reason someone doesn't help themselves is because they don't want to or they want someone else to doit for them. Shiit I pulled myself out of poverty without help there in no reason someone else CAN'T do the same.
  • OK lets say uyou mom is a crack whore who is prostitiuting herself to get money for drugs,,,,you unfortunately are birthed by this person. do you honestly think this kid has a choice of how their lives will turn out? and chooses to grow up in this?
  • My question wasn't ment to be in reference to kids. It was ment to be about abults. I think yes we do have a responsibility to the children of this country. Parents that are crack whores or neglagent parents should not be allowed any were near their children until they take responsability for their problems and get themselves straight. I have no problem with taking care of children. I have a problem with adults looking for someone else to be responsible for what they choose to do. I don't want BIG BROTHER running my life because others are not responsible for theirs.

  • my point was that these children end up being adults and are they magically supposed to be responsible at 18 when this was their role model their whole lives?

    how a bout a vet who returns from the war...he cant find a job....only part time...or min. wage...is he supposed to provide for his kids? look at all the viet nam viets this happened to.

    how about a person with mental illness?

  • Maybe if the crack addict mom had sex education and health care to get on birth control she wouldn't end up with a child that the governemtn has to then take care of, only to abandon used they're a legal adult.

    Now I'm just poking the snake.

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  • Somehow my brain thinks 'once' is spelled 'used'.  Eh.

     

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  • The whole time he was speaking I was wondering how does he plan to make all these changes, how? For me, it was a little empty. Anyone else feel that way?
  • That is why these people should NOT be able to have the kids back until they are clean. Mentor programs through churches are great. Big brothers and Big sisters is also an amazing program. There and numorous wonderful foster parents and people that would love to adopt children (if only they weren't scared that the crack whore will want and get the child back).

    As for the vets issue. I work for veterans affairs there are programs that sit here being abused or not used. You can not make someone work if they don't want to. You can't make someone stay in housing if tey don't want to. You have no idea how many opportunities vets have now all they have to do is ask. Asking for help is being responsible. This is NOT the same Veterans Affairs that exsited after nam.

    The care of a mental ill person should be in the hands of the family. That persons family should have say over how and what kind of treatment they get. No the government.

  • Do you really not believe that we, as a society, have a moral obligation to help those of us who are unable to help themselves?

    I think we have an obligation to help those who are unable to help themselves, not those who are unwilling to help themselves.   There is a huge difference, and yet that line seems to be awfully hazy to some.  

    As for socialism, think about what has made our country strong.   The land of opportunity, right?   The opportunity is that every individual has the right and the ability to rise above his/her station through hard work and education.   That is the opportunity in this country.   But, it won't be given to you.   It can't be given to you.   You have to want to work for it, and you have to reach out and take it.    

    What will happen to the work ethic of our country when the reward for hard work and success is that more of your money is taken from you to support individuals who don't even bother?   To support the lifestyle of individuals who drop out of high school at 15 because they don't want to go anymore or a 20 year old single woman on her third pregnancy?  

    Seriously?   If that's the reward I get for dragging my butt out of bed every morning for work,  accumulating nearly 100k dollars in student loan debt, and never having any free time.....sign me up for welfare then!    I'd love to be taken care of.   

  • The care of a mental ill person should be in the hands of the family.

    and if they dont have any? or the family can not afford it..due to the high cost of health care,,,houseing...education..then what?

     work for veterans affairs there are programs that sit here being abused or not used.

    then i guess you know a lot of them are deplorable! and no one especially a vet should have the sub par housing and especially medical care that they get!

    That is why these people should NOT be able to have the kids back until they are clean.

    great in theory...but how do you suppose that would happen?

    church programs are great for what? raising children, getting them medical needs, educating them? big brother IS a great program...it isnt going to help much in the long run of raising children that live in poverty!

  • I don't know. I'm still on the fence about Obama. He's obviously a great orator but he spoke some mighty big words. I don't know if he can pull it off.  What I don't think he emphasized enough was that it wouldn't be easy, it wouldn't be overnight. He kept saying all these great things, but then just quickly said how hard it would be.

    I don't know. I don't have much more than that.  

  • Standing Ovation for Donny!  Woo woo! 
  • I think we have an obligation to help those who are unable to help themselves, not those who are unwilling to help themselves.   There is a huge difference, and yet that line seems to be awfully hazy to some.  

    EXACTLY my point!

     

    to say we should have NO social programs is obsurd!

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     He kept saying all these great things, but then just quickly said how hard it would be.

     

    It would be quiet delusional if he said it would be easy,  wouldnt it?

  • Who thinks it's going to be easy?

    I don't expect all his ideas to come to fruitation in 4 years, even 8 years, but I believe that he'll at the very least pave the way for it to happen.

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