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Re: Obama's speech

  • I'm totally bummed I missed it.  I was busy cleaning the house & making dinner.  Boo.

  • I love him. Yes
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  • Shawna - DH just watched the whole thing on YouTube since he fell asleep watching it last night.?

    Now he just found a video clip of Pat Buchanan, of all people, praising Obama and the speech. ?Whoa.?

  • I missed it Sad

    Any thoughts on McCain's choice for veep?

  • Sweet!  Guess what I'll be watching after work? :)

  • I thought it was pretty inspiring as well....

    I'll be really interested to watch the debates.

    I am *stunned* by McCain's choice...

  • My mom, sister, and brother were all there. My cousin got them there for Michelle's speech, Kennedy's speech and Barack's. They were sitting with the press so they had to maintain non partisan demeanor. They also got to have lunch with Charlize Theron, a big Obama supporter.

    My sister was texting me all through the night. How lucky. I tfigures I moved too early!!!

  • Obama's speech was awesome.

     McCain's VP choice: Makes me want to punch something.

    So it goes.
  • I seriously can't believe who McCain picked. ?What a transparent attempt at capturing Hillary supporters. ?Guess what dude... just because she's a woman and she's young does NOT mean that she'll help you get the votes of anyone who supported Hillary. ?As if the only reason anyone supported her was that she is a woman. ?Her politics and beliefs couldn't have had anything to do with it, could they? ?Angry
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    I seriously can't believe who McCain picked.  What a transparent attempt at capturing Hillary supporters.  Guess what dude... just because she's a woman and she's young does NOT mean that she'll help you get the votes of anyone who supported Hillary.  As if the only reason anyone supported her was that she is a woman.  Her politics and beliefs couldn't have had anything to do with it, could they?  Angry

    My thoughts exactly!!!    I missed Obama's speech, but I heard it rocked and I plan on catching it later on YouTube! 

  • I think McCain's choice was brilliant. I do think he's trying to entice some of the Hillary supporters who aren't thrilled with Obama. Nothing wrong with that.
    image"I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble." -John Wayne
  • Yes - smart move on his part. ?But cheap. ?And I truly don't believe that people who actually support Hillary will be fooled. ?I mean, Palin stands for pretty much the opposite as most Hillary supporters.
  • Oh, I don't think they will be fooled, but I think some will be swayed. Especially those that don't lean as far to the left as Obama.

    image"I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble." -John Wayne
  • I have no doubt that some people will be swayed. ?Not the true Hillary supporters though. ?It will be the people who were going to vote solely based on gender. ?And that scares me.?

    Oh how I can't WAIT for the debates.?

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    I think McCain's choice was brilliant. I do think he's trying to entice some of the Hillary supporters who aren't thrilled with Obama. Nothing wrong with that.

    I too think McCain's choice was perfect. Of coarse he is trying to reach Hillary's voters, just like Obama is attempting to do with Biden. I think it will be a very close and intersting race. 

  • I thought Obama's speech and the whole event last night was inspiring. I liked how they had ordinary people speak at the beginning, that was really powerful. Obama really covered it all: international, economic, social issues, the war in Iraq, taxes, etc. I think he did a good job talking about everything critics were saying he wasn't talking about.

    I listened to Palin this morning and while I don't know anything about her politically, what she said?although it was completely competent?did not make me think 'wow she is presidential material'. And she should being the VP. I agree that it's ridiculous of some of the commentaries I heard saying that she could help pick up the Hilary voters. Anyone that was solely for Clinton b/c she is a woman is choosing their candidate for the wrong reason. In her speech this morning, Palin said she was congratulating Clinton for going as far as she did and that she (Palin) is continuing the tradition which made me just laugh if she thinks that voters will fall for that.

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    I agree that it's ridiculous of some of the commentaries I heard saying that she could help pick up the Hilary voters. Anyone that was solely for Clinton b/c she is a woman is choosing their candidate for the wrong reason. In her speech this morning, Palin said she was congratulating Clinton for going as far as she did and that she (Palin) is continuing the tradition which made me just laugh if she thinks that voters will fall for that.

    ridiculous or not, there are ppl out there who would vote for hillary just because she's a woman and i think it will sway some voters just because palin is one. not everyone takes all of the issues to heart and some ppl vote off the cuff.

    image"I've always followed my father's advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble." -John Wayne
  • Oh I'm not saying there won't be people voting for their ticket simply because she's a woman. In fact I'm sure there will be. I'm saying that I find it ridiculous. Just like some people won't vote for Obama simply b/c he's African American. Lots of people can't see the forest for the trees as they say.
  • We watched the Obama speech and found it refreshing and inspiring!  It really made us excited about the future of this country.

    McCain...oh boy.  I watched the rally this morning with him and Sarah Palin, and I will say I was less than impressed.  Yes, he's going for the history making choice in that she is a woman.  She may help him because she is supposedly very conservative (think Mitt Romney, but not Mormon).  Yes she may help him with the working class voters.  But, she is incredibly inexperienced, one of his main complaints about Obama.  She's been Governer for what, like 4 years?  I didn't find that she had anything of value to say this morning.  Happy Anniversary to her husband?!  Seriously, I don't care, I want to know what you'll do for this country!

    I wouldn't vote for that ticket just because she is a woman, there is WAY more to this decision than gender or race.  Either way, it will be a historic election, which is very exciting.

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  • I just read this quote and thought it was pretty good?

    "Palin will almost certainly woo away all of Hillary Clinton supporters who are pro-life and pro-gun."

  • Fitz - My thoughts exactly. ?The only Hillary "supporters" she will win for McCain are the people who were going to vote for her solely on gender.

    I can't really wrap my mind around people who think Obama is a bit too liberal now voting for McCain because of uber-conservative Palin just because she's a woman. ?That's quite a jump.

    Though I am intrigued by her 80% approval rating. ?That's a pretty damn high number. ?I always assumed that Alaska leaned right, but someone was saying that they lean Democrat... is that true? ?I'm pretty sure they were red on the 2004 election results map.

  • Response from Obama's spokesperson Bill Burton

     

    "Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.

    Burton also criticized Palin as a vice presidential pick for her support of oil drilling in the Alaskan wilderness and her anti-abortion stance, referring to the 1973 Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal in the United States.

    "Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies. That's not the change we need, it's just more of the same," he said.

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    Fitz - My thoughts exactly.  The only Hillary "supporters" she will win for McCain are the people who were going to vote for her solely on gender.

    I can't really wrap my mind around people who think Obama is a bit too liberal now voting for McCain because of uber-conservative Palin just because she's a woman.  That's quite a jump.

     Huge jump. And hugely offensive IMO. It actually makes me sick to my stomach. If the circumstances were even slightly different McCain would not have picked a woman.

    So it goes.
  • Amen.

    From electoral-vote.com (about Palin):

    First, some reporter is going to ask him: "Of the hundreds of governors, senators, congressmen, and business leaders available to you, do you really think that a 44-year old person who has two years' experience as governor of a thinly populated state is the best person in the country to be President of the United States after yourself?" After all, she knows nothing of foreign policy and not even that much about domestic policy except that drilling for oil is a good thing.

    Second, picking her destroys McCain's strongest argument against Obama: he has no experience. Little as he has (8 years in the Illinois state senate and 3 years in the U.S. Senate) it is more than she has (4 years as mayor of Wasilla, a town then of 5,000 people, and 2 years as governor). How is he going to argue that she is qualified to be President and Obama isn't. He can say experience doesn't matter (and a?case can be made?that it doesn't) but there goes his whole argument against Obama--lack of experience.

    Third, like many Alaska politicians these days, Palin is involved in an ethics scandal. Her sister was married to a state trooper named Mike Wooten. The two of them got divorced and were involved in a bitter child custody battle. Sarah wanted to help her sister so she asked the state commissioner of public safety, Walt Monegan, to fire Wooten. He refused, so she fired him. He protested so loudly that the Republican-controlled state legislature appointed a retired prosecutor, Steve Branchflower, to investigate whether she abused her power as governor. Needless to say, Monegan is about to get a small army of reporters camped on his doorstep. It seems very strange indeed that McCain wants to be associated with someone under investigation for an ethics violation. The Democrats are going to say: "More of the same." Time will tell how this will play out. One can already envision the Vice Presidential TV debate featuring the long-time member and now chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee facing someone has has been governor for 2 years. Romney or Ridge could have held their own against Biden, but Palin is going to have a tough time.?

  • I think pretty much all my comments have already been said.

     I think McCain's choice of VP is three things. Stupid, insulting, and dangerous.

     Stupid - As PP said, she isn't VP material. She is younger than Obama AND she has a lot less experience. There goes criticism for Obama.

    Insulting - He thinks Hilary voters are going to see "Hey, another woman, Ok, we'll vote for her!" Nevermind that Palin is anti-choice, anti-gay, and anti-feminist and was a mayor of a 9k population town for a short time before becoming a governor for 2 years. But, apparently, we should all be fooled. That's an insult to women!

     
    Dangerous - McCain is older and has known health concerns. If something were to happen to him, Palin would be put in control of this country yet she has no qualifications to be president. If she would have put herself on the Prez ticket, she would have been LAUGHED at. She wouldn't have received enough votes to make it on the nightly news. It's a joke.

     


     

  • I need to catch Obama's speech on YouTube as I missed it...on the Palin choice...just wow, everyone has said my thoughts already so no need to reiterate.

     

  • I just moved to Alaska, so I don't know too much about Palin yet - although I know she is very well liked as the Governor here. But she lacks SO much experience, she's only been the Governor for 2 years and before that she was the Mayor of a very small town. From what I know, she definitely doesn't seem like someone who is qualified to be a VP, and certainly not President if something were to happen to McCain in office...

    She will attract some of the female voters, but not necessarily the Hilary fans. Palin has 5 kids, her youngest is just a few months old and has down syndrome, and people like my super conservative SIL who is 25 and the mother of 4 are attracted to that. SIL said this in the comment on a mutual friend's blog this morning:

    " I am excited about the VP because she is a mother of 5!! (and has a wee babe!)"

    Yes, because having 5 children totally makes you VP material and capable of potentially leading our country. Sadly, my SIL is probably not the only one who thinks this way.

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