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Ummm...happy holidays? Whatever happened to that?

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Re: Ummm...happy holidays? Whatever happened to that?

  • image MarynJoe:
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    This year I got a lot more Merry Xmases than Happy Holidays.  Obviously it makes me a little uncomfortable cuz I'm a dreidel spinner not a xmas tree decorator.  I always just say you too, to be polite, but it bugs me.  Also at my work they has a Christmas party, not Holiday and they wanted to emphasize Xmas, so I couldn't go.  I know I live in a Christian country that overwhelmingly celebrates Christmas, I'm not stupid, but especially in a big city like Vegas, I would think people would be more PC.

    Why couldn't you go?  Did they do something against your religion that forbade you from attending?  Or, were you able to go and chose not to because you felt left out or comfortable?

    If I worked with people who were primarily Jewish, and they had a Happy Hanukkah party, I'd go and when they said Happy Hanukkah, I'd say Merry Christmas.  Then laugh, and share some good food together!  And, you could have brought some special treats that they weren't used to eating, and show them some of your traditions.

    First of all, is anyone here not celebrating Christmas?  Secondly, how many of you keep the Sabbath every week? 

    I do keep the Jewish Sabbath every week in my home.  I take my traditions (notice I did not say religion) seriously, and frankly, to some degree most Jews do take some tradition seriously.  The people I work with are well aware that I am like that, that I keep a Jewish home-I married an Israeli last year it doesn't get more Jewish than that.  They know I take it seriously, I've even gone as far as covering my hair.  So when they go out of the way  to EMPHASIZE it's a CHRISTMAS PARTY and not a holiday party (which is exactly how they put) they put me in an uncomfortable position, b/c no I cannot attend nor participate as a Jew.

  • You know what is sad? I can't say "Merry Christmas" where I work because I might offend someone.

    I personally think it's a shame that people feel the need to generalize a wonderful day in just "Happy Holidays". 

  • Being an American is all about religious freedom. You do remember that is why we have a country in the first place, correct? America wasn't founded as a Christian nation and I think it is ridicoulous that people think it is or was.

    You are free to think and believe and be as PC or un-PC as you like.

    Man, this has really gone farther than the OP probably meant it to. In the infamous words of Charlie Brown, "good grief!"

  • No, I'm sorry, I have to  come back. I am a Christian. Sometimes I wish people Merry Christmas, and sometimes I wish people Happy Holidays. I don't care if people wish me Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, Happy Solstice, whatever -- the point is they are wishing me well, and I am touched.

    I also like parties and wouldn't feel threatened by a Hanukkah Party, general Holiday party, etc. My Christian Elementary school had a Seder meal once. It was cool to learn about a different religious tradition. I think it's awful to be offended by someone else's well-wishes.

  • image jkmcnamara:
    You know what is sad? I can't say "Merry Christmas" where I work because I might offend someone.

    I personally think it's a shame that people feel the need to generalize a wonderful day in just "Happy Holidays". 

    Here's the thing though, it's not just one holiday.  Hannukah, Christmas, Kwanzaa Al Hijira and New Years Eve are all in the same month.  Multiple holidays...thus "happy holidays".  I think it's impolite to wish someone a Merry Christmas when you know they don't celebrate Christmas...it's like wishing someone a happy birthday on your birthday.  It's not all about you and your belief system.  Recognize that there are some other people living in this world who don't believe that Jesus was their lord and savior.

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  • image LCSC1980:
    Ummm...it's not that I don't CARE for Christmas.  I didn't wake up one day and F*** Christmas I want Hannukah.  I'm a Jew, it's what I was born as.  And you may feel differently about what you say if you were not in the majority.

    Yeah see you're someone who gets their panties all in a bunch over silly language issues.

    You really think the phrase, "you don't care for Christmas" means, "I think you  woke up one and thought F*** Christmas I want Hannukah"? 

    Yeah sure that's what I meant. I clearly have no concept of being born to a particular group.

    I'm not going to even bother to try and convey to you what I was trying to say because clearly you will choose to misinterpret it. 

    Please feel free to enlighten me in just the exactly right way to phrase my thoughts so as not to a) offend you b) have them misinterpreted by you.

     

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  • Would any of you wish others "Happy Birthday" on YOUR birthday? I assume not. To me, saying "merry christmas" to those you know don't celebrate is the same thing. Why do it?

    Yes, I think getting offended is a bit much, but IMO is very rude to do it to someone on purpose....and to get your panties in a bunch because people would prefer happy holidays. 

  • image LCSC1980:

    This year I got a lot more Merry Xmases than Happy Holidays.  Obviously it makes me a little uncomfortable cuz I'm a dreidel spinner not a xmas tree decorator.  I always just say you too, to be polite, but it bugs me.  Also at my work they has a Christmas party, not Holiday and they wanted to emphasize Xmas, so I couldn't go.  I know I live in a Christian country that overwhelmingly celebrates Christmas, I'm not stupid, but especially in a big city like Vegas, I would think people would be more PC.

    If this is the only thing you have to complain about, you are lucky.

     Also, if the school you work at went out of their way to emphasize that it was a Christmas party and not just a holiday party, and they force the kids to sing songs about how Jesus is their brother, maybe you should look for a different job.  You sound miserable there.

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  • I wish people a Merry Christmas.  But if I knew they didn't celebrate, then I'd wish them a Happy whatever you celebrate.

    Also, Hanukkah ended way before Christmas this year....  So if Hanukkah were already over, then I wouldn't wish that person a Happy Hanukkah.  Plus, isn't Hanukkah a relatively small holiday in the Jewish religion?  It isn't even widely celebrated. 

    Regardless, I don't see an issue with wishing people a Merry Christmas.  If you don't like it, then reply with Happy Holidays, or thanks, but I don't celebrate Christmas.  Most people don't mean any harm when they say it, they are just wishing you well.

    Maybe next year you can wish everyone a Happy Hanukkah!  I bet most would say the same back to you.

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    I wish people a Merry Christmas.  But if I knew they didn't celebrate, then I'd wish them a Happy whatever you celebrate.

    Also, Hanukkah ended way before Christmas this year....  So if Hanukkah were already over, then I wouldn't wish that person a Happy Hanukkah.  Plus, isn't Hanukkah a relatively small holiday in the Jewish religion?  It isn't even widely celebrated. 

    Regardless, I don't see an issue with wishing people a Merry Christmas.  If you don't like it, then reply with Happy Holidays, or thanks, but I don't celebrate Christmas.  Most people don't mean any harm when they say it, they are just wishing you well.

    Maybe next year you can wish everyone a Happy Hanukkah!  I bet most would say the same back to you.

    Well put, I totally agree!
  • Maybe it should be "Happy December and All the Holidays That Fall Within It!"
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  • image Tambcat:

    No, I'm sorry, I have to  come back. I am a Christian. Sometimes I wish people Merry Christmas, and sometimes I wish people Happy Holidays. I don't care if people wish me Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, Happy Solstice, whatever -- the point is they are wishing me well, and I am touched.

    I also like parties and wouldn't feel threatened by a Hanukkah Party, general Holiday party, etc. My Christian Elementary school had a Seder meal once. It was cool to learn about a different religious tradition. I think it's awful to be offended by someone else's well-wishes.

     

    Well said! I myself wish people a "Merry Christmas" more than "Happy Holidays" but if someone corrected me, ok, cool, I'd wish them whatever holiday they celebrate, and would not be offended if someone wished me a Happy Hanukkah or Kwanzaa. I'm Catholic, I attend mass, I hope to send my kids to a Catholic school, my family displays a Nativity in their yards, and still would not be offended if someone invited me to participate in their own holiday traditions- in fact I'd enjoy it. Most people are not trying to be insensitive, or un-PC, and if they are, they're just jerks, and you're free to get miffed then. And back to the employee Christmas party- say something to your employer if it bothers you that bad. And when you're wished a merry Christmas, there's no rule saying you can't tell the person you don't celebrate it. I know it's like a week late, but Happy Hanukkah!

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  • I think, what the OP was referring to was her employer, who employs people of all faiths and are well aware that there are people who don't celebrate Christmas, would specifiy that it's only a Christmas Party and not a holiday party.  She may have taken that to believe that she was not included in the party, and was upset that she was delibrately being excluded. 

    I personally don't get offended when people wish me a Merry Christmas.  I do feel very special though when people wish me a Happy Hanukkah, because it means that they made a special effort to send me a greeting for my holiday.   But I don't get upset when people in public would wish me Marry Christmas. I was wishing people a Merry Christmas all day yesterday, because it WAS Christmas. 

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    I wish people a Merry Christmas.  But if I knew they didn't celebrate, then I'd wish them a Happy whatever you celebrate.

    Also, Hanukkah ended way before Christmas this year....  So if Hanukkah were already over, then I wouldn't wish that person a Happy Hanukkah.  Plus, isn't Hanukkah a relatively small holiday in the Jewish religion?  It isn't even widely celebrated. 

    Regardless, I don't see an issue with wishing people a Merry Christmas.  If you don't like it, then reply with Happy Holidays, or thanks, but I don't celebrate Christmas.  Most people don't mean any harm when they say it, they are just wishing you well.

    Maybe next year you can wish everyone a Happy Hanukkah!  I bet most would say the same back to you.

     

    I wish everyone a Happy Holidays...I'm not ignorant enough to assume others beliefs.  As far as having my panties in a twist...you don't know how I feel, b/c you are not in my position.

  • Ok, honestly I really don't care about hoe other people would HYPOTHETICALLY feel in my position.  I'm putting this out there so more people will be aware that to some people it is unusual to be told Merry Xmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanzaa, when they don't celebrate the holiday and I feel people should be more cognizant of that fact.  It doesn't mean I get pissed and want to spit in someone's face after they say Merry Xmas, I just get confused as to why they would assume I celebrate that holiday and not be more encompassing.
  • When SO wears his Star of David necklace or his Chai (sp?) necklace, people still say Merry Christmas to him, and it's not like his star of david necklace is small..it's pretty big. I think most people say it out of habit. Even though it might get annoying, just smile and say Happy Holidays back.
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  • Coming to this late. 

    Here is my take.

    As individuals, people should be able to say a greeting based on THEIR beliefs.  And if that means "Merry Christmas", then that's what it means.  Why shouldn'[t people be able to say that when that is what they believe?  You don't believe it?  Then don't say it, and/or say "Happy Hanukkah". 

    But it's ridiculous to be offended by people expressing greetings based on their belief system. There HAS to be respect in both directions here.

    However, when it comes to work parties.... I do fully believe it should be a HOLIDAY party. Open and welcoming of all relgions and beliefs. 

    My DH is Jewish (I am not) and he could care less about "Merry Christmas" greetings, but I do think he gets a little put off by "Christmas parties".  He jokes about it- and it's nothing he would refuse to go to.  But I do feel that he appreciates it a LOT when something is called a "holiday" party.

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  • image Tambcat:

    No, I'm sorry, I have to  come back. I am a Christian. Sometimes I wish people Merry Christmas, and sometimes I wish people Happy Holidays. I don't care if people wish me Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, Happy Solstice, whatever -- the point is they are wishing me well, and I am touched.

    I also like parties and wouldn't feel threatened by a Hanukkah Party, general Holiday party, etc. My Christian Elementary school had a Seder meal once. It was cool to learn about a different religious tradition. I think it's awful to be offended by someone else's well-wishes.

    And Tamb for the win. Thank you for remembering the Solstice.

    I'm a Yule celebrator and I get irritated when people say things like "CHRIST IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON." I'm sorry but Yule was around long before christmas came around.

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  • image stumpy:
     America wasn't founded as a Christian nation and I think it is ridicoulous that people think it is or was.
    This is FALSE! Here are facts to back it up... 

    Is America a Christian Nation? - David Barton 

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    image stumpy:
     America wasn't founded as a Christian nation and I think it is ridicoulous that people think it is or was.
    This is FALSE! Here are facts to back it up... 

    Is America a Christian Nation? - David Barton 

    Uh, maybe a more academic source would help your case here. It'd be like someone disagreeing with you and linking you to Athiest.com or something. 

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  • I don't get why when someone says "merry christmas!" you can't just respond with, "And Happy Hannukuh!"

    I don't get why it has to be generic. Someone is wishing you well according to their traditions, so why not wish them back according to your own and then just move on?

    I agree the work thing is rude as is anyone who goes out of their way to try to make you feel bad, but a random person who doesn't know or may not remember, I think it's dumb to get your panties all in a twist. All my years as an agnostic, I can't remember getting all butthurt when people wished me ANYTHING other than a Happy Solstice. 

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  • It's unusual to you to be wished a Merry Christmas around Christmas? I find that difficult to believe, considering how many people in this country are at least nominal Christians.

    As for your work party, where in the world do you work? Is it a church or something? If not, and if the invitation really said "this is CHRISTMAS party; not a holiday party," then yeah, that's kindashitty.  Sorry.

    Finally, don't spill your guts and then cry "you don't know how I feel!" when people criticize. You just told us how you feel.

  • So what I have gotten out of this thread is we can't possibly understand how you feel, that you don't care how people of other faiths feel, and you don't care how any of us might hypothetically feel if we were in your situation.

    So it seems you wanted to hear, "Gosh what a terrible situation you are in. I don't really get how you feel, but from my limited understanding it seems pretty crappy. I won't bother sharing any of my experiences or any of my thoughts because I can't understand your position and you don't care about anyone elses thoughts. I hope you have had and continue to have a happy holiday season." 

    You should consider just talking to your mirror. 

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  • image WishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    image Ms_Matched:

    image stumpy:
     America wasn't founded as a Christian nation and I think it is ridicoulous that people think it is or was.
    This is FALSE! Here are facts to back it up... 

    Is America a Christian Nation? - David Barton 

    Uh, maybe a more academic source would help your case here. It'd be like someone disagreeing with you and linking you to Athiest.com or something. 

    Our nation was founded on principles that are all throughout the Bible. Author and historian David Barton highlights the christian heritage in the link I provided. It shows both the research and evidence to back it up. If you bothered to watch it, you would see it to be true too.

    The other poster just made a statement with no evidence to back up that it isn't. I live in the "Show Me" state, show me proof!

  • image Ms_Matched:
    image WishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    image Ms_Matched:

    image stumpy:
     America wasn't founded as a Christian nation and I think it is ridicoulous that people think it is or was.
    This is FALSE! Here are facts to back it up... 

    Is America a Christian Nation? - David Barton 

    Uh, maybe a more academic source would help your case here. It'd be like someone disagreeing with you and linking you to Athiest.com or something. 

    Our nation was founded on principles that are all throughout the Bible. Author and historian David Barton highlights the christian heritage in the link I provided. It shows both the research and evidence to back it up. If you bothered to watch it, you would see it to be true too.

    The other poster just made a statement with no evidence to back up that it isn't. I live in the "Show Me" state, show me proof!

    Dude, I didn't even say whether I agreed with you or not. But it's just foolish to think that a source like that is going to convince someone. If I went to Athiest.org or whatever, I'm sure I could find convincing arguments the other way.

    It reminds me of the time someone disagreed with me about immigration, and cited an article on VDare.

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    image Ms_Matched:
    image WishIcouldbeinthe'stan:
    image Ms_Matched:

    image stumpy:
     America wasn't founded as a Christian nation and I think it is ridicoulous that people think it is or was.
    This is FALSE! Here are facts to back it up... 

    Is America a Christian Nation? - David Barton 

    Uh, maybe a more academic source would help your case here. It'd be like someone disagreeing with you and linking you to Athiest.com or something. 

    Our nation was founded on principles that are all throughout theBible. Author and historian David Barton highlights the christianheritage in the link I provided. It shows both the research and evidence to back it up. If you bothered to watch it, you would see it to be true too.

    The other poster just made a statement with no evidence to back up that it isn't. I live in the "Show Me" state, show me proof!

    Dude, I didn't even say whether I agreed with you or not. But it's just foolish to think that a source like that is going to convince someone. If I went to Athiest.org or whatever, I'm sure I could find convincing arguments the other way.

    It reminds me of the time someone disagreed with me about immigration, and cited an article on VDare.

    Dude, um okay. 

    Perhaps you would like to explain why all of currency has "In God We Trust" on it, and the Star Spangled Banner has "One nation under God" in it?

    "American history demonstrates repeatedly that the nation was founded on Christian principles and its founding fathers wished to acknowledge that fact all over Washington D.C. buildings, in official documents, and historical speeches. Less than a hundred years after its Declaration of Independence, In God We Trust was proclaimed on its coins. America is a free nation, and freedom of religion is still guaranteed in the Constitution?s First Amendment."

    Foolish or not you still have shown me "zero" proof stating otherwise.

    http://www.allabouthistory.org/in-god-we-trust.htm

     

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    Dude, um okay. 

    Perhaps you would like to explain why all of currency has "In God We Trust" on it, and the Star Spangled Banner has "One nation under God" in it?

    "American history demonstrates repeatedly that the nation was founded on Christian principles and its founding fathers wished to acknowledge that fact all over Washington D.C. buildings, in official documents, and historical speeches. Less than a hundred years after its Declaration of Independence, In God We Trust was proclaimed on its coins. America is a free nation, and freedom of religion is still guaranteed in the Constitution?s First Amendment."

    Foolish or not you still have shown me "zero" prook stating otherwise.

    http://www.allabouthistory.org/in-god-we-trust.htm

     

    She's not trying to "prove" you wrong and say this country wasn't founded on Christian beliefs... All she was saying is that if you want to make an argument, you shouldn't use what could be considered a biased source.

    ETA: "One nation under God" is in the pledge, not the Star Spangled Banner and it was not added into the pledge until 1954. 

    Also, "In God we trust" wasn't added to US currency until 1957...

  • image Leah_Lou:

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    Dude, um okay. 

    Perhaps you would like to explain why all of currency has "In God We Trust" on it, and the Star Spangled Banner has "One nation under God" in it?

    "American history demonstrates repeatedly that the nation was founded on Christian principles and its founding fathers wished to acknowledge that fact all over Washington D.C. buildings, in official documents, and historical speeches. Less than a hundred years after its Declaration of Independence, In God We Trust was proclaimed on its coins. America is a free nation, and freedom of religion is still guaranteed in the Constitution?s First Amendment."

    Foolish or not you still have shown me "zero" prook stating otherwise.

    http://www.allabouthistory.org/in-god-we-trust.htm

     

    She's not trying to "prove" you wrong and say this country wasn't founded on Christian beliefs... All she was saying is that if you want to make an argument, you shouldn't use what could be considered a biased source.

    I understand what you are saying, but currency, Washington DC buildings, official documents and historical speeches speak for themselves, do they not?

    My point is, if nestie Stumpie is going to make a statement such as the country was not founded on Christian beliefs, I want to see "proof" that supports her statement. 

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    image Leah_Lou:

    image Ms_Matched:

    Dude, um okay. 

    Perhaps you would like to explain why all of currency has "In God We Trust" on it, and the Star Spangled Banner has "One nation under God" in it?

    "American history demonstrates repeatedly that the nation was founded on Christian principles and its founding fathers wished to acknowledge that fact all over Washington D.C. buildings, in official documents, and historical speeches. Less than a hundred years after its Declaration of Independence, In God We Trust was proclaimed on its coins. America is a free nation, and freedom of religion is still guaranteed in the Constitution?s First Amendment."

    Foolish or not you still have shown me "zero" prook stating otherwise.

    http://www.allabouthistory.org/in-god-we-trust.htm

     

    She's not trying to "prove" you wrong and say this country wasn't founded on Christian beliefs... All she was saying is that if you want to make an argument, you shouldn't use what could be considered a biased source.

    I understand what you are saying, but currency, Washington DC buildings, official documents and historical speeches speak for themselves, do they not?

    My point is, if nestie Stumpie is going to make a statement such as the country was not founded on Christian beliefs, I want to see "proof" that supports her statement. 

    Oh, you're asking Stumpie for proof? I kind of skimmed the thread, so I didn't see that.

    Well, yeah, then I would also agree with Stan on the source thing. If she wanted to prove you wrong, using something from a well known anti-religion website wouldn't be a good cite either.

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