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Abusive mother wants to be friends.

NoneForUsNoneForUs member
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edited January 2015 in Relationships
My mother was abusive to me from the time I was 9 years old until I fled the abuse at age 21. She enjoyed beating me and putting me down, as well as making negative comparisons all the time. She tried to be sweet to me in an effort to make me stay when she realized I was leaving. By that time, I had no more patience for her bullshit. I was tired of being hit as well as being called a whore every time I stayed out past 12AM. I was also weary of the expectation that I would stay home and do chores all the time like a slave. 

This woman was part of the reason we eloped. When I told my mother that I was engaged, her first comment was "You're too fat to look good in a wedding dress!" She also tried to make our wedding all about her extravagant and narcissistic wishes. She felt that she had the right to choose our wedding party, venue, colors, guest list etc.. My mother refused to come dress shopping with me because I wouldn't allow her to choose my gown. When my husband and I told her that we wanted a small wedding, my mother became belligerent and insulting. My mother made embarrassing scenes in front of my husband with her shouting and she said "You're getting married like people who don't have their immigration papers!" That was the last straw for my husband and I. We eloped much to the chagrin of my mother. She was embarrassed because my elopement made it obvious to many people that I was not close to her. My mother has always been about keeping up appearances and it didn't look good that her only daughter eloped to get away from her. 

Fast forward about five years...my mother desperately wants us to have a closer relationship. My elopement was a huge wake up call for my mother. I am not interested because of all the hurt she has caused and I need to protect myself. My mother enjoys gossiping about me and that is another reason I don't trust her. She has said that she wishes things were different between us and how proud she is of me. While I appreciate those words, I simply cannot be close to a mother who was abusive to me for years and could not be supportive when I was getting married. I have three brothers who all worship my mother and my wonderful dad who does whatever she wants because he is afraid of her wrath.  I have tried to cut her out of my life in the past only to have my mother turn my siblings and father against me. If I cut her off, I lose the rest of my family including my nieces. That is the only reason I still talk to my mother. 

She is currently living with one of my brothers and his wife in order to help with their new baby. I feel glad that my mother is not nearby and I rarely call her. This is a problem because once she realizes that I am not reaching out, she moans to my dad and my brothers about how I never call. I don't enjoy talking to meddling and rude people no matter who they are. I was with my eldest brother last night and he was on the phone with my mother, so I was stuck because she demanded that my brother pass the phone to me. When I asked my mother how she was, her response was "You never call so you don't care how I am! Don't be a hypocrite!" Uh, okay psycho! She then proceeded to add some manipulative bullshit about how I will be sad when she dies. My mom loves saying that. Little does she know that when she dies, there will be far more relief than sadness in my heart. That woman tormented me for years. 

When I saw a therapist regularly, she said that my mother is highly narcissistic and she is toxic for me. My therapist felt that my self esteem issues and PTSD are a direct result of the abuse . She also recommended that I interact with my mother as little as possible. When my mother is here, I see her once a month and talk to her less frequently if I can manage to dodge her calls. 

I know I must sound like an awful daughter because most people think that mothers should loved no matter what. However, I am the one who has lived the harsh reality of being raised by a mother who was vicious and cruel. I forgive my mom because I know she is an ignorant woman who didn't know any better. Unfortunately, I will never be able to forget everything she did. 


Two questions:
  1. Why the fuck is my mother trying to be my friend now? I can't ask her that because she will cry and start WWIII. I don't need the drama.
  2. If you had an abusive mother, what is your relationship with her like now that you are an adult? 

Re: Abusive mother wants to be friends.

  • The only reason I can think she wants to be friends based on what you said is because she cares about apperances. But then in the process she gets information on you to gossip about. If you don't talk to her then she gossips about that. You can't win. When you talk to her don't tell her anything you wouldn't want others to know. Basically if you wouldn't put it on facebook with a public setting, don't tell her the information. I don't think you can win in this situation no matter what you do. If your brothers aren't aware of the abuse you went through, I would talk to them and tell them they can have whatever relationship with your mother that they want but you can't & tell them why.
  • NoneForUs said:
    Two questions:
    1. Why the fuck is my mother trying to be my friend now? I can't ask her that because she will cry and start WWIII. I don't need the drama.
    2. If you had an abusive mother, what is your relationship with her like now that you are an adult? 

    First, I'd like to say that I'm deeply sorry for you. Unfortunately, I know what you're going through. It's so hurtful to have a parent who cares more about him/herself than they do about their own child. I hope that counseling is helping you to move on from this toxic relationship and get the peace that you deserve to have.

    You do NOT sound like a horrible daughter, and the fact that you called yourself that tells me that you still have some work to do in therapy. You could not control how you were treated as a child by someone who was supposed to be a trusted adult. What choice do you have now as an adult but to try to protect yourself by keeping distance?

    1. Most likely, she's trying to be your "friend" now because she has narcissistic tendencies. Narcissistic people need a fan club, and it's clear that your dad and brothers are filling that role. She can't stand that you won't play her games. It's actually a sign of strength on your part, and it's driving her crazy.

    2. It's my father who's abusive. We have never had a relationship. Even as a child and teenager I refused to play his games, so he's always shunned me. We had a big fight in May when he and my mom came to visit me (I live very far away from them now), and I haven't spoken to him since; however, we never really talked in the first place so it's not that different, except my anger has not gone away this time and I'm determined to stand up for myself. It means not going to see them, but I'm OK with that for now. I'm in counseling to work through my problems. I've made good headway working through the problems I have with my mom and sister, but my father is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. The feelings I have are so deep and still so raw that it's going to take a long time for me to get through them. Someday I'd like to be able to confront him and tell him I'm not going to put up with his antics ever again, but that seems to be a ways off right now. I, like you, often think of how much nicer life will be when he's dead.
    NoneForUsGilliCshort+sassy
  • This is a sad situation and I think it won't get any better until SHE gets help, unfortunately. For the sake of your sanity, marriage, and esteem I don't think you should let her into your life. In regards to you brother and dad, if you keep a good line of communication you can at the very least discredit any opinions of you not being a good daughter or sister. She may try to butt in and be rude but that will only reinforce your stand on why you can't have a relationship with her in the first place. Don't play into her games, you just got out of them. Focus on yourself and your happiness.
    NoneForUsshort+sassy
  • NoneForUs said:
    My mother was abusive to me from the time I was 9 years old until I fled the abuse at age 21. She enjoyed beating me and putting me down, as well as making negative comparisons all the time. She tried to be sweet to me in an effort to make me stay when she realized I was leaving. By that time, I had no more patience for her bullshit. I was tired of being hit as well as being called a whore every time I stayed out past 12AM. I was also weary of the expectation that I would stay home and do chores all the time like a slave. 

    This woman was part of the reason we eloped. When I told my mother that I was engaged, her first comment was "You're too fat to look good in a wedding dress!" She also tried to make our wedding all about her extravagant and narcissistic wishes. She felt that she had the right to choose our wedding party, venue, colors, guest list etc.. My mother refused to come dress shopping with me because I wouldn't allow her to choose my gown. When my husband and I told her that we wanted a small wedding, my mother became belligerent and insulting. My mother made embarrassing scenes in front of my husband with her shouting and she said "You're getting married like people who don't have their immigration papers!" That was the last straw for my husband and I. We eloped much to the chagrin of my mother. She was embarrassed because my elopement made it obvious to many people that I was not close to her. My mother has always been about keeping up appearances and it didn't look good that her only daughter eloped to get away from her. 

    Fast forward about five years...my mother desperately wants us to have a closer relationship. My elopement was a huge wake up call for my mother. I am not interested because of all the hurt she has caused and I need to protect myself. My mother enjoys gossiping about me and that is another reason I don't trust her. She has said that she wishes things were different between us and how proud she is of me. While I appreciate those words, I simply cannot be close to a mother who was abusive to me for years and could not be supportive when I was getting married. I have three brothers who all worship my mother and my wonderful dad who does whatever she wants because he is afraid of her wrath.  I have tried to cut her out of my life in the past only to have my mother turn my siblings and father against me. If I cut her off, I lose the rest of my family including my nieces. That is the only reason I still talk to my mother. 

    She is currently living with one of my brothers and his wife in order to help with their new baby. I feel glad that my mother is not nearby and I rarely call her. This is a problem because once she realizes that I am not reaching out, she moans to my dad and my brothers about how I never call. I don't enjoy talking to meddling and rude people no matter who they are. I was with my eldest brother last night and he was on the phone with my mother, so I was stuck because she demanded that my brother pass the phone to me. When I asked my mother how she was, her response was "You never call so you don't care how I am! Don't be a hypocrite!" Uh, okay psycho! She then proceeded to add some manipulative bullshit about how I will be sad when she dies. My mom loves saying that. Little does she know that when she dies, there will be far more relief than sadness in my heart. That woman tormented me for years. 

    When I saw a therapist regularly, she said that my mother is highly narcissistic and she is toxic for me. My therapist felt that my self esteem issues and PTSD are a direct result of the abuse . She also recommended that I interact with my mother as little as possible. When my mother is here, I see her once a month and talk to her less frequently if I can manage to dodge her calls. 

    I know I must sound like an awful daughter because most people think that mothers should loved no matter what. However, I am the one who has lived the harsh reality of being raised by a mother who was vicious and cruel. I forgive my mom because I know she is an ignorant woman who didn't know any better. Unfortunately, I will never be able to forget everything she did. 


    Two questions:
    1. Why the fuck is my mother trying to be my friend now? I can't ask her that because she will cry and start WWIII. I don't need the drama.
    2. If you had an abusive mother, what is your relationship with her like now that you are an adult? 

    WHy the fook would you want to KNOW a horrible person like "your mother"?

    Cut her off completely. You've had enough.

    "Too fat to look good in a wedding dress?" Too bad you didn't tell her "We plan on doing it naked."
    NoneForUs
  • NoneForUsNoneForUs member
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    edited January 2015
    @joleri23 The only reason I said I must seem like a horrible daughter is that is what most people in my extended family think about me. They think I should just tolerate my mother's nonsense and never speak ill of her.  I know that I am a far better daughter than my mother ever deserved. Too bad she couldn't see that until it was too late. 

    You are so right about my mother being annoyed by my strength. She hates it that I stand up to her unlike most people and she also hates the way I do not allow her to run my life the way my brothers do. One of my brothers is unhappily single and childless in his mid forties partly because of my mother. He runs to her with all of his business. His exes saw that they didn't want a controlling and pushy MIL to contend with. 

    Right after we got married, my mom said that I was "weird" for not allowing her to buy expensive housewares for us. I know that anything she does for us is only so that she can buy a stake in our lives. I am wise to her manipulative bullshit. After I told my mother that my husband and I can buy our own things, she moaned about how I don't want her in my life. :)) Sorry...it just makes me laugh when my mother says such things because I don't know what the hell she expects after being so cruel to me for a long time. 

    I have made so much progress. In the past, I used to search for mother figures because I desperately wanted that in my life. Now I realize that I have to be my own mother while accepting nurturing and love from certain people. Besides my husband, there is an aunt on his side whom I am close to. She is very intelligent and compassionate. 

    *hug* I know exactly what you mean when you say you will have peace when your father is dead. I am going to find it hard to shed tears for my mom when she passes on...although I will be a mess when my dear father dies. That man is one of my best friends. I forgive him for not protecting me from my mother for so long because he was a victim too; she emasculated him and treated him horribly. Thankfully, he stands up for me now which makes me happy. 
    joleri23wildtnshort+sassy
  • NoneForUsNoneForUs member
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    edited January 2015
    @lilcookies Thanks. I try to focus on my own life but she does try very hard to butt in. You are right though. 

    Because she is materialistic, she likes to buy presents as a false display of love and also to make her look good. She bought a couple of items for my husband and I recently so I will call her on Sunday out of politeness; a quick phone call to say thank you and that's it. 

    Sometimes she calls "just to check on me."I have become very good at being polite but not sharing too much about my life. My mother senses that I don't want to talk to her so she ends the phone calls fast. :))
  • NoneForUs said:
    My mother was abusive to me from the time I was 9 years old until I fled the abuse at age 21. She enjoyed beating me and putting me down, as well as making negative comparisons all the time. She tried to be sweet to me in an effort to make me stay when she realized I was leaving. By that time, I had no more patience for her bullshit. I was tired of being hit as well as being called a whore every time I stayed out past 12AM. I was also weary of the expectation that I would stay home and do chores all the time like a slave. 

    This woman was part of the reason we eloped. When I told my mother that I was engaged, her first comment was "You're too fat to look good in a wedding dress!" She also tried to make our wedding all about her extravagant and narcissistic wishes. She felt that she had the right to choose our wedding party, venue, colors, guest list etc.. My mother refused to come dress shopping with me because I wouldn't allow her to choose my gown. When my husband and I told her that we wanted a small wedding, my mother became belligerent and insulting. My mother made embarrassing scenes in front of my husband with her shouting and she said "You're getting married like people who don't have their immigration papers!" That was the last straw for my husband and I. We eloped much to the chagrin of my mother. She was embarrassed because my elopement made it obvious to many people that I was not close to her. My mother has always been about keeping up appearances and it didn't look good that her only daughter eloped to get away from her. 

    Fast forward about five years...my mother desperately wants us to have a closer relationship. My elopement was a huge wake up call for my mother. I am not interested because of all the hurt she has caused and I need to protect myself. My mother enjoys gossiping about me and that is another reason I don't trust her. She has said that she wishes things were different between us and how proud she is of me. While I appreciate those words, I simply cannot be close to a mother who was abusive to me for years and could not be supportive when I was getting married. I have three brothers who all worship my mother and my wonderful dad who does whatever she wants because he is afraid of her wrath.  I have tried to cut her out of my life in the past only to have my mother turn my siblings and father against me. If I cut her off, I lose the rest of my family including my nieces. That is the only reason I still talk to my mother. 

    She is currently living with one of my brothers and his wife in order to help with their new baby. I feel glad that my mother is not nearby and I rarely call her. This is a problem because once she realizes that I am not reaching out, she moans to my dad and my brothers about how I never call. I don't enjoy talking to meddling and rude people no matter who they are. I was with my eldest brother last night and he was on the phone with my mother, so I was stuck because she demanded that my brother pass the phone to me. When I asked my mother how she was, her response was "You never call so you don't care how I am! Don't be a hypocrite!" Uh, okay psycho! She then proceeded to add some manipulative bullshit about how I will be sad when she dies. My mom loves saying that. Little does she know that when she dies, there will be far more relief than sadness in my heart. That woman tormented me for years. 

    When I saw a therapist regularly, she said that my mother is highly narcissistic and she is toxic for me. My therapist felt that my self esteem issues and PTSD are a direct result of the abuse . She also recommended that I interact with my mother as little as possible. When my mother is here, I see her once a month and talk to her less frequently if I can manage to dodge her calls. 

    I know I must sound like an awful daughter because most people think that mothers should loved no matter what. However, I am the one who has lived the harsh reality of being raised by a mother who was vicious and cruel. I forgive my mom because I know she is an ignorant woman who didn't know any better. Unfortunately, I will never be able to forget everything she did. 


    Two questions:
    1. Why the fuck is my mother trying to be my friend now? I can't ask her that because she will cry and start WWIII. I don't need the drama.
    2. If you had an abusive mother, what is your relationship with her like now that you are an adult? 

    WHy the fook would you want to KNOW a horrible person like "your mother"?

    Cut her off completely. You've had enough.

    "Too fat to look good in a wedding dress?" Too bad you didn't tell her "We plan on doing it naked."

    =)=)) Too funny! Not inviting my mother to my wedding or into my home for years was enough for her to realize how she needs to treat me from now on. To her credit, she did apologize for her behavior around my wedding. For some reason, that woman blames certain choices on my husband. She thinks that my husband forced me to elope or not have children. I believe that my mother feels threatened by my marriage because it means that someone is loving me the way I deserve and she hates that. 

    I would cut her off but I don't want to lose the rest of my family, especially my little nieces whom I love so much. Telling my siblings and my father why I don't talk to my mother never works. They just say "She doesn't meeeeeeean it!!!" 
  • Noneforus, this is like my mother to a T.  She was never physically abusive, but mentally, emotionally, and financially she tried to control and call the shots.  In one breath, she says she "doesn't care" about money, in the next she downs ppl who don't or gets penny-pinching about stupid things.  And she wants to "give us money" all the time.  I told DH that everything that woman gives has strings, so beware, and he finally understands.

    My dad passed away 11 years ago, but he always enabled her nonsense, and joined in when he was in the mood.

    And no, most ppl who haven't been in our shoes don't get it.  They don't understand why we aren't at Mama's bedside with soup when she has a sniffle, why we don't have her live with us to recuperate from a surgery instead of going to a rehab center, and why we don't spend lots of quality time together each week since we live in the same town.  Some of my co-workers probably think that I am a horrible person, but they have normal mothers, and could never understand what we go through.

    Anyway, OP, you are not alone, and don't feel guilty!  We all deal the best way we can with the mothers that we have, and anytime you want to vent, feel free to do so.  You are not alone!

  • My mother was never as bad as yours, but she said some horrible things to me when I told her we were getting divorced. She told me that she was very sad to hear it, but not because it's disappointing or anything. No, she was sad to think that I would be spending the rest of my life alone, because she was shocked I found someone to put up with me in the first place! She also told me that she assumed I had contracted a disease that made me sterile, since I "ran around so much" when I was younger (I had sex with a few long-term boyfriends, but I was hardly promiscuous). Anyhow, the worst messy crying I did during my divorce was over my mother, not my marriage!

    I tried to confront her about it at some point, but she honestly couldn't understand why I was upset by the things she said. She "didn't mean for it to be hurtful" and didn't see why I was reacting that way.

    In the end, I didn't cut her out of my life completely, but I've become extremely guarded about what I tell her. For the first two years of my current relationship, I answered all her questions with "no comment." She still sneaks a jab in once in a while, but I keep most of the sensitive issues to myself, so it doesn't hurt as much.

    But I've known some crazy mothers over the years, and if you think cutting her out entirely is the best thing for you, then by all means do it! Your life is your own.
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  • NoneForUsNoneForUs member
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    edited January 2015
    @GilliC Don't you just LOVE the accusations of being promiscuous? My mother did the same. I did not start sleeping around until I left home. Your mother's other comments were just awful.

    @wildtn So my mom bought me a designer purse. This is her way of showing "love" and trying to get me to contact her. I called her to say thanks out of politeness but that is it. I am dreading her return home because I love that she is far away. 

    For some reason, it makes me angry when she tries to be kind to me. This doesn't make any sense since I craved love and kindness from my mother for so long...
  • Part of you is probably saying "it's about darn time she starts being kind to someone, let alone her daughter".  Another part of you is probably waiting for the other shoe to drop, because this can't last long, right?  And another part is angry because she thinks that an expensive purse is somehow going to fix the emotional damage she has caused for years.

    NoneForUsshort+sassy
  • NoneForUsNoneForUs member
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    edited January 2015
    wildtn said:

    Part of you is probably saying "it's about darn time she starts being kind to someone, let alone her daughter".  Another part of you is probably waiting for the other shoe to drop, because this can't last long, right?  And another part is angry because she thinks that an expensive purse is somehow going to fix the emotional damage she has caused for years.

    At the risk of sounding spoiled and ungrateful, my mother has a pattern of buying presents instead of being loving and especially when she feels guilty. 

    When I was preparing to leave home, she gave me a magnet that said "Love for a daughter is like a rose. Each passing day it grows and grows." I left it on the kitchen counter because I certainly never felt loved by her; the magnet's message seemed very phony to me. 
  • It's hard and it sucks, especially with nieces in the mix, but if I were you, I'd give up the mother, brothers, and father.  Get the toxins out of your life.  You'll be happier in the end.
    You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough. ~Mae West
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  • LD1970 said:
    It's hard and it sucks, especially with nieces in the mix, but if I were you, I'd give up the mother, brothers, and father.  Get the toxins out of your life.  You'll be happier in the end.
    I don't view my brothers and my father as toxic. I think they are just afraid of my mother. 
    I see why you made this suggestion and I appreciate it. Your opinion made a lot of sense. 

  • NoneForUs said:
    LD1970 said:
    It's hard and it sucks, especially with nieces in the mix, but if I were you, I'd give up the mother, brothers, and father.  Get the toxins out of your life.  You'll be happier in the end.
    I don't view my brothers and my father as toxic. I think they are just afraid of my mother. 
    I see why you made this suggestion and I appreciate it. Your opinion made a lot of sense. 

    Actually, I think they are as toxic as your mother because they enable her.  They create an environment where your mother never has to face any negative consequences for her vicious and controlling ways.

    You need to understand that your mother is never going to change.  She is never going to wake up and realize what a horrible person she is.  Ever.  She has surrounded herself with a group of people who are supportive of her behavior, so she has endless reinforcement for her actions.

    Honestly, give yourself permission to walk away from this entire crew.  Yes -- mother, father and siblings.  If the extended family is taking your mother's side, pressuring you to just tolerate her, they are also toxic.  I know that after decades of brain training and a strong sense of family loyalty, it is hard to just write off a whole swath of people, but these are not people who care one whit about your happiness.  Why should you spend a single minute trying to make them happy?
    crimsonsaffron
  • NoneForUsNoneForUs member
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    edited February 2015
    NoneForUs said:
    LD1970 said:
    It's hard and it sucks, especially with nieces in the mix, but if I were you, I'd give up the mother, brothers, and father.  Get the toxins out of your life.  You'll be happier in the end.
    I don't view my brothers and my father as toxic. I think they are just afraid of my mother. 
    I see why you made this suggestion and I appreciate it. Your opinion made a lot of sense. 

    Actually, I think they are as toxic as your mother because they enable her.  They create an environment where your mother never has to face any negative consequences for her vicious and controlling ways.

    You need to understand that your mother is never going to change.  She is never going to wake up and realize what a horrible person she is.  Ever.  She has surrounded herself with a group of people who are supportive of her behavior, so she has endless reinforcement for her actions.

    Honestly, give yourself permission to walk away from this entire crew.  Yes -- mother, father and siblings.  If the extended family is taking your mother's side, pressuring you to just tolerate her, they are also toxic.  I know that after decades of brain training and a strong sense of family loyalty, it is hard to just write off a whole swath of people, but these are not people who care one whit about your happiness.  Why should you spend a single minute trying to make them happy?
    Sorry..I just saw your response now. Thanks for your thoughtful words! 

    I distance myself because I know that my mother won't change and I can't control what she does. All I can control how is much access she has to my life. Sometimes my mother shows signs of awareness such as apologizing for her nasty behavior around my wedding. However, these changes are very short lived and designed to fool me into being closer to her. 

    My husband says that I should just call her once a week so that she won't complain and get family to guilt me into contacting her. I don't agree because I am finally in a position where I don't have to placate my mother out of fear. I hold all the cards now because my mother is the one who wants a closer relationship, while I am free to deny her that based on my need to protect myself. Narcissists can't stand it when someone refuses to be caught in their web. They have a lot of difficulty respecting other's boundaries. 

    As for cutting everyone else off, I have done that in the past and it was very painful. I would rather not endure that pain again as I have lost many relatives in my life prematurely; I have experienced far more death than most young people. Aside from enabling my mother, I have a great relationship with my dear old dad as I am his favorite. I am also tight with my eldest and youngest brothers. 


  • I wanted to express my sympathies and let you know how your story helped me understand better one of my good friends.  She recently totally cut herself off from her family and, I'll admit, I was shocked.  I know her family really well and, while they are pretty overbearing people, I always picked up love from them for my friend.

    But, instead of judging her choice, I listened.  And I realized I don't always know what goes on behind closed doors.  At the end of the day, if her life has improved and she feels more confident in herself since cutting them out of her life, than she made the right choice.

    She is not a horrible daughter and neither are you.  Not by a long shot.  Don't let anybody tell you different.  Sometimes we need to make tough decisions to preserve ourselves.

    It sounds to me like you are handling things in the best way possible, all things considered.  You have a good understanding of who your mother is and where she comes from as well as a good understanding of yourself  and your needs.  I see it as strength that you are able maintain minimal, "arms length" contact with her in order to make it easier to keep your father, brothers, and nieces in your life. 

    NoneForUs
  • @short+sassy Thanks so much! My mother called today and she told me that she loved me at the end of our call. I was so stunned I didn't even respond. 

    I believe that my mother does love me but she is too mentally ill to show it in a healthy manner. 


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