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NBC News: Businesses Cutting Hours

I know the employer mandate was delayed a year, yet businesses are still cutting hours down to 29 in preparation for the ACA.  I think it's sad.  Link below:

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Re: NBC News: Businesses Cutting Hours

  • wow, I'm so excited the link was made clicky for me. I could never do that with my mac before the change.
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  • missymomissymo member
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    edited August 2013
    What else is new?  What do you think about all the businesses that did this before? I think on average people were working about 6 hours more.  It used to be that businesses would make part-time 35 hours a week in order to avoid healthcare costs.  

    And I really do agree with the White House on this "report."  20 businesses is anecdotal.  I'm sure 20 businesses could be found that are NOT cutting hours.  So, really, it's meaningless.  

    ETA: Also, why is it assumed that these businesses are run efficiently? There are a giant number of small business owners who do a poor job of running their business.  If they can't afford the cost of business - i.e. treating their employees right - then perhaps they need to take a look in the mirror and not blame Obama.  

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  • I know.  it's annoying though that they would still cut hours when it's been delayed a year.  why are they doing something they don't need to do??  I'm just glad I never worked for a company like that.
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  • Even some of the President’s biggest backers are disagreeing.

    “It is happening,” said Joseph Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers union.  “Wait a year. You’ll see tremendous impact as workers have their hours reduced and their incomes reduced. The facts are already starting to show up. Their statistics, I think, are a little behind the time.”

    Hansen joined fellow union leaders from the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and UNITE-HERE, penning a letter to Democratic leaders of Congress last month that criticized the Affordable Care Act.

    Hansen joined fellow union leaders from the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and UNITE-HERE, penning a letter to Democratic leaders of Congress last month that criticized the Affordable Care Act.

    “Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class,” the letter states.

    “On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans,” it continues.
  • Even some of the President’s biggest backers are disagreeing.

    “It is happening,” said Joseph Hansen, president of the United Food and Commercial Workers union.  “Wait a year. You’ll see tremendous impact as workers have their hours reduced and their incomes reduced. The facts are already starting to show up. Their statistics, I think, are a little behind the time.”

    Hansen joined fellow union leaders from the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and UNITE-HERE, penning a letter to Democratic leaders of Congress last month that criticized the Affordable Care Act.

    Hansen joined fellow union leaders from the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and UNITE-HERE, penning a letter to Democratic leaders of Congress last month that criticized the Affordable Care Act.

    “Right now, unless you and the Obama Administration enact an equitable fix, the ACA will shatter not only our hard-earned health benefits, but destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class,” the letter states.

    “On behalf of the millions of working men and women we represent and the families they support, we can no longer stand silent in the face of elements of the Affordable Care Act that will destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans,” it continues.
    stunning.....even one of the writers of the ACA thinks it's a disaster.
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  • CnonCnon member
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    vlagrl29 said:
    I know the employer mandate was delayed a year, yet businesses are still cutting hours down to 29 in preparation for the ACA.  I think it's sad.  Link below:


    Of course, the above is still happening;  employers aren't dumb...............


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  • They've been doing this for years, before Obama even took office. The ACA is a convenient excuse.
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  • And the fact that businesses are going to such lengths to avoid having to offer their employees health insurance should show you how much employers care about whether their employees have health insurance or not.

    Answer: not at all. Employees aren't human, they're just cogs in a machine, so who gives a crap if one dies of untreated cancer?
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  • GeraldoRiveraGeraldoRivera member
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    edited August 2013
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  • And the fact that businesses are going to such lengths to avoid having to offer their employees health insurance should show you how much employers care about whether their employees have health insurance or not.

    Answer: not at all. Employees aren't human, they're just cogs in a machine, so who gives a crap if one dies of untreated cancer?
    Totally agree with you.  It's been awhile since I've been in the corporate world.  What little I was there for left a bad taste in my mouth.
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  • This will only work as long as the unemployment level is high enough to support it. If unemployment keeps drifting down, a lot of these companies will find they lose their best employees to better offers.
    -My son was born in April 2012. He pretty much rules. -This might be the one place on the internet where it's feasible someone would pretend to be an Adult Man.

  • missymo said:
    What else is new?  What do you think about all the businesses that did this before? I think on average people were working about 6 hours more.  It used to be that businesses would make part-time 35 hours a week in order to avoid healthcare costs.  

    And I really do agree with the White House on this "report."  20 businesses is anecdotal.  I'm sure 20 businesses could be found that are NOT cutting hours.  So, really, it's meaningless.  

    ETA: Also, why is it assumed that these businesses are run efficiently? There are a giant number of small business owners who do a poor job of running their business.  If they can't afford the cost of business - i.e. treating their employees right - then perhaps they need to take a look in the mirror and not blame Obama.  

    This is so ignorant as to be hilarious! Obviously you have not spent any time in the trenches of a small business. Probably about 50-75% of your dealings every day are with small businesses. Most insurance agents, (even the ones affiliated with the big names State Farm, etc) are small businesses because they are franchised. Your dry cleaners, some grocery stores (IGAs), farms that sell at your local co-op and farmer's markets, etc. are small businesses. The effective tax rate on corporations right now is about 12.1% whereas small businesses are taxed as if they are individuals. So say your accountant, with the other people working under him, has a business that grosses $250K per year, that business gets taxed at 40% of its total earnings whereas a corporation would only be taxed at 12.1% of those same earnings on 250K. It's about $70K difference in taxes alone on the gross income. (mind you the owner of the business is then taxed AGAIN on what he actually brings home from the business after the business taxes, expenses and employees are paid) Also, whenever things have been cut for incentive such as payroll taxes etc. they only did it for corporate payroll taxes not for the payroll taxes paid by small businesses. This doesn't even begin to account for the corporate buying power that a large corporation has over it's suppliers and vendors nor does it account for the financial advantages of doing a large volume. So yes, the problem is all with the local guys who want to sell you vegetables grown by hand 20 minutes from your house vs. Walmart who has shipped them covered with chemicals and where they sat on a truck for a month before they got thrown in the trough at the store. Yes, I'm sure it's the little guys who are the problem.
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  • missymomissymo member
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    edited August 2013

    I'm sorry, whose ignorant, @snp605? Because your post makes it sound like it's you.  Where exactly did I say, "Little guys are the problem"?  What I said was that there seems to be an assumption that every business owner who claims "Obamacare" is the cause of them not being able to do business is actually good at running their business.  Most owners haven't been providing some sort of proof that without Obamacare they would actually do right by their employees and be fabulously profitable. 

    Remind me again, why employers refused to provide healthcare before Obamacare? Remind me again why they cut hours of employees to 35 hours a week from 40? 


    I honestly don't even think your tirade was relevant to my point. The portion you bolded in my post was FACT.  I'm sorry if that is news to you, and you previously lived in some fantasy land where all small businesses were run by intelligent minds who never ran their own businesses to the ground or encountered factors other than Obamacare to ruin their efficiently run small business.  Not all people who want to run/do run a small business are capable of doing so.  Are you really arguing against that? 

    As for my experience in the small business trenches, you once again show yourself to be highly ignorant.  I worked at my mother's small business for 3 years before working for another small business, taking a break in corporate, and then starting my own.  The majority of my time working has been spent in a small business environment. 


    The bulk of my mother's "employees" were actually independent contractors, but I and 3 others were full time employees.  The company paid for health insurance for 4 people.  We were offered hourly wages and health care.  This is despite the fact that we were in a volatile, commission driven industry.  I did the books (well, in conjunction with an outside accountant I met with quarterly), and it wasn't cheap.  It was the cost of doing business and having the best staff and providing for those hard-working employees. 

    I never once said all small business owners suck.  There are an innumerable number of amazing small business owners.  But there are also awful ones.  While working in small business, I interacted pretty much constantly with owners of other small businesses.  You know what?  Just like I said, there were a lot of dumb-asses who didn't know what they were doing.  It's flat out ignorant to claim that every small business owner who can't afford the costs of doing business is being ruined by Obamacare.  

    In summation, I think it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about. 



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  • missymo said:

    I'm sorry, whose ignorant, @snp605? Because your post makes it sound like it's you.  Where exactly did I say, "Little guys are the problem"?  What I said was that there seems to be an assumption that every business owner who claims "Obamacare" is the cause of them not being able to do business is actually good at running their business.  Most owners haven't been providing some sort of proof that without Obamacare they would actually do right by their employees and be fabulously profitable. 

    Remind me again, why employers refused to provide healthcare before Obamacare? Remind me again why they cut hours of employees to 35 hours a week from 40? 


    I honestly don't even think your tirade was relevant to my point. The portion you bolded in my post was FACT.  I'm sorry if that is news to you, and you previously lived in some fantasy land where all small businesses were run by intelligent minds who never ran their own businesses to the ground or encountered factors other than Obamacare to ruin their efficiently run small business.  Not all people who want to run/do run a small business are capable of doing so.  Are you really arguing against that? 

    As for my experience in the small business trenches, you once again show yourself to be highly ignorant.  I worked at my mother's small business for 3 years before working for another small business, taking a break in corporate, and then starting my own.  The majority of my time working has been spent in a small business environment. 


    The bulk of my mother's "employees" were actually independent contractors, but I and 3 others were full time employees.  The company paid for health insurance for 4 people.  We were offered hourly wages and health care.  This is despite the fact that we were in a volatile, commission driven industry.  I did the books (well, in conjunction with an outside accountant I met with quarterly), and it wasn't cheap.  It was the cost of doing business and having the best staff and providing for those hard-working employees. 

    I never once said all small business owners suck.  There are an innumerable number of amazing small business owners.  But there are also awful ones.  While working in small business, I interacted pretty much constantly with owners of other small businesses.  You know what?  Just like I said, there were a lot of dumb-asses who didn't know what they were doing.  It's flat out ignorant to claim that every small business owner who can't afford the costs of doing business is being ruined by Obamacare.  

    In summation, I think it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about. 



    because they are assholes!  that's why.  I hate companies like that AND would never work for one.  BTW what kind of business do you own?  I'm just curious because we both own our own businesses as well.
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  • cincychick35cincychick35 member
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    edited August 2013
    missymo said:

    I'm sorry, whose ignorant, @snp605? Because your post makes it sound like it's you.  Where exactly did I say, "Little guys are the problem"?  What I said was that there seems to be an assumption that every business owner who claims "Obamacare" is the cause of them not being able to do business is actually good at running their business.  Most owners haven't been providing some sort of proof that without Obamacare they would actually do right by their employees and be fabulously profitable. 

    Remind me again, why employers refused to provide healthcare before Obamacare? Remind me again why they cut hours of employees to 35 hours a week from 40? 


    I honestly don't even think your tirade was relevant to my point. The portion you bolded in my post was FACT.  I'm sorry if that is news to you, and you previously lived in some fantasy land where all small businesses were run by intelligent minds who never ran their own businesses to the ground or encountered factors other than Obamacare to ruin their efficiently run small business.  Not all people who want to run/do run a small business are capable of doing so.  Are you really arguing against that? 

    As for my experience in the small business trenches, you once again show yourself to be highly ignorant.  I worked at my mother's small business for 3 years before working for another small business, taking a break in corporate, and then starting my own.  The majority of my time working has been spent in a small business environment. 


    The bulk of my mother's "employees" were actually independent contractors, but I and 3 others were full time employees.  The company paid for health insurance for 4 people.  We were offered hourly wages and health care.  This is despite the fact that we were in a volatile, commission driven industry.  I did the books (well, in conjunction with an outside accountant I met with quarterly), and it wasn't cheap.  It was the cost of doing business and having the best staff and providing for those hard-working employees. 

    I never once said all small business owners suck.  There are an innumerable number of amazing small business owners.  But there are also awful ones.  While working in small business, I interacted pretty much constantly with owners of other small businesses.  You know what?  Just like I said, there were a lot of dumb-asses who didn't know what they were doing.  It's flat out ignorant to claim that every small business owner who can't afford the costs of doing business is being ruined by Obamacare.  

    In summation, I think it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about. 



    I believe she was only trying to point out that small businesses (especially in this economy) don't run on huge profit margins.  I mean, after all, the point of being in business is to turn a profit. (ETA) If a business cannot be profitable, then what is the point?  And in this economy I would hate to see more "little guys" closing their doors.

    It seems some people forget that health insurance is not a right, it is a privilege.  Now before you go ape shit on me medical CARE is a right, insurance is not.  My whole business career has been working for small businesses (minus one big bank and that sucked).  And I was always offered health insurance.  I was the office manager of a small CPA firm and I saw how lean things could get.  

    The point of employment is for one to make a living and hopefully do something they enjoy.  I never once thought my employer (or the government) needed to "take care" of me.  That's my job not my employers.
  • Sorry, this has me fire up.  GR mentioned above "Employees aren't human, they're just cogs in a machine, so who gives a crap if one dies of untreated cancer?"
    In my experience small business care more about their employees than big corporations.  In July my DH tried to commit suicide.  He spent a month in the hospital and my employer (small business) has been wonderful to me!  I can't imagine how I would have been treated by the big corporate bank I used to work for.
  • Sorry, this has me fire up.  GR mentioned above "Employees aren't human, they're just cogs in a machine, so who gives a crap if one dies of untreated cancer?"
    In my experience small business care more about their employees than big corporations.  In July my DH tried to commit suicide.  He spent a month in the hospital and my employer (small business) has been wonderful to me!  I can't imagine how I would have been treated by the big corporate bank I used to work for.
    I totally get that. I do also believe small business is better than HUGE Corps.  The last office job I had I really liked the CEO because he made sure he "cared" about his employees.  Whereas, when I worked at KMART and had to go in the hospital because of a brain issued, all they cared about was when was I coming back to work and they needed a doctors note. WTF

    I'm sorry about your DH trying to commit suicide.  One of my past coworkers....her husband jumped off the bridge a couple months ago and died.  I can't even imagine it.
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  • from what I've been reading its companies like subway, papa johns, amc theatres, denny's that are doing this.
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  • missymo said:

    I'm sorry, whose ignorant, @snp605? Because your post makes it sound like it's you.  Where exactly did I say, "Little guys are the problem"?  What I said was that there seems to be an assumption that every business owner who claims "Obamacare" is the cause of them not being able to do business is actually good at running their business.  Most owners haven't been providing some sort of proof that without Obamacare they would actually do right by their employees and be fabulously profitable. 

    Remind me again, why employers refused to provide healthcare before Obamacare? Remind me again why they cut hours of employees to 35 hours a week from 40? 


    I honestly don't even think your tirade was relevant to my point. The portion you bolded in my post was FACT.  I'm sorry if that is news to you, and you previously lived in some fantasy land where all small businesses were run by intelligent minds who never ran their own businesses to the ground or encountered factors other than Obamacare to ruin their efficiently run small business.  Not all people who want to run/do run a small business are capable of doing so.  Are you really arguing against that? 

    As for my experience in the small business trenches, you once again show yourself to be highly ignorant.  I worked at my mother's small business for 3 years before working for another small business, taking a break in corporate, and then starting my own.  The majority of my time working has been spent in a small business environment. 


    The bulk of my mother's "employees" were actually independent contractors, but I and 3 others were full time employees.  The company paid for health insurance for 4 people.  We were offered hourly wages and health care.  This is despite the fact that we were in a volatile, commission driven industry.  I did the books (well, in conjunction with an outside accountant I met with quarterly), and it wasn't cheap.  It was the cost of doing business and having the best staff and providing for those hard-working employees. 

    I never once said all small business owners suck.  There are an innumerable number of amazing small business owners.  But there are also awful ones.  While working in small business, I interacted pretty much constantly with owners of other small businesses.  You know what?  Just like I said, there were a lot of dumb-asses who didn't know what they were doing.  It's flat out ignorant to claim that every small business owner who can't afford the costs of doing business is being ruined by Obamacare.  

    In summation, I think it's YOU who doesn't know what the fuck she is talking about. 



    I believe she was only trying to point out that small businesses (especially in this economy) don't run on huge profit margins.  I mean, after all, the point of being in business is to turn a profit. (ETA) If a business cannot be profitable, then what is the point?  And in this economy I would hate to see more "little guys" closing their doors.

    It seems some people forget that health insurance is not a right, it is a privilege.  Now before you go ape shit on me medical CARE is a right, insurance is not.  My whole business career has been working for small businesses (minus one big bank and that sucked).  And I was always offered health insurance.  I was the office manager of a small CPA firm and I saw how lean things could get.  

    The point of employment is for one to make a living and hopefully do something they enjoy.  I never once thought my employer (or the government) needed to "take care" of me.  That's my job not my employers.
    Disagree with the bolded, BIG TIME. 
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