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I'm so sad and disappointed

Florida... wow... I've never bought in the whole "people who vote for so and so are stupid" thing, but people who are voting for Trump are stupid and blind.  I just have no other thoughts.  I'm still trying to figure out who these Trump supporters are and I'm pretty sure they aren't regularly voting Republicans (thus the reason why none of the normal conservative lines seem to work), but wow... they are stupid as hell.

Rubio dropped out in case you hadn't heard.  I'm not sure how the math works out now since Kasich won Ohio, but Cruz will need to do a ton of catching up to make anything happen.  Trump just won 99 delegates from Florida alone.  I'm so sad and angry. 
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  • I think there are a LOT of people that are sick of the rigged political system so those people are voting for him. Possibly even people that don't normally vote. I voted for kasich today and my dh voted trump. He is a regular republican voter.
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    I think there are a LOT of people that are sick of the rigged political system so those people are voting for him. Possibly even people that don't normally vote. I voted for kasich today and my dh voted trump. He is a regular republican voter.
    Well now I've heard of one person who actually voted for Trump.  Most of my friends and family are Republicans and they despise Trump, so I've been very confused by all of this.
  • I don't get it either. And it makes me sad.
  • Also a good friend and her husband voted trump in FL today and they are also big R voters. I think there is a lot of closet trump supporters.
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  • It's weird because I think most mainstream Republicans don't know who voted for Trump, or know like 1 person. The only person in my entire extremely conservative family and Facebook friends list is my bipolar aunt. Then again, Cruz was shown to be winning in California for the next poll.

    It still isn't over though. I don't think Cruz and Kasich's goal is beat Trump at this point, but to deny him the majority of delegates so that the convention is contested. Basically, if Trump doesn't win the majority of delegates, he loses.
  • I don't think it will be a contested convention.  Trump only needs about 46% more of the delegates to get the amount needed for the nom.  It was a tight race in our state of MO between Trump and Cruz.  The more attacks on Trump there are - the more his support goes up - its so bizarre!
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    I don't think it will be a contested convention.  Trump only needs about 46% more of the delegates to get the amount needed for the nom.  It was a tight race in our state of MO between Trump and Cruz.  The more attacks on Trump there are - the more his support goes up - its so bizarre!
    Usually by this point, there is a super clear winner.  We aren't in the place.  Typically the eventual nominee winning states with over 50% and is very far ahead in delegates.  Everyone may be talking about the Trump train and have been talking about him as the eventual nominee since the very first state, but he isn't a run away by any means and isn't doing as well as nominees have done in modern times.  If he continues collecting delegates at his current rate, he won't get 51%.  I'm not saying he won't be the nominee- I think he will (god help us)- but the fact that he isn't clearly winning at this point shows how screwed up everything is and it's extremely possible a brokered convention will happen.

    It is SO WEIRD that the more they bring up negatives about Trump, the more people like him.  WHY?  I heard that that's why it took everyone so long to attempt to attack him: because focus groups proved what we are seeing now- that the more they attack Trump, the higher his numbers.  

    We are seeing the result of civil unrest.  This is how dictators get freely elected.  We've had demagogue presidents before and have managed to save ourselves, but I worry that Trump is another extreme.  In Romney's speech he quoted John Adams, "Remember, democracy never lasts long.  It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.  There was never a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."  I believe throughout history that this has happened because citizens of democracy became apathetic and intellectually lazy.  I believe what we are seeing now is apathy and laziness mistaken for anger, for if the people were really angry, they couldn't and wouldn't be able to vote for a person like Trump.  We have a choice- we either lead ourselves back to our founding principles that made us a great, free, and prosperous country or we betray those principles and head down the road to nationalism.  I worry that we can't find our way back to our principles because no one even remembers what they are.
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  • hoffsehoffse
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    There are a number of blue collar democrats crossing over for Trump.  They don't like Hillary because of the baggage (can't blame them), and they think Bernie is too extreme (also can't blame them).  I've met a few Trump supporters, and more than one has been a life-long democrat who can't stand how cushy that party has become.

    I also think a lot of people are voting for him but won't admit it.  That's why he does worse in states with caucuses, because there's a public shaming element to it since everybody can see your choice.

    I think he's an asshole, but I don't think he's as scary as some people are saying.  I'm really skeptical that he believes 95% of the stuff that comes out of his own mouth - and whatever he is, he isn't stupid.  Republicans were saying the same kind of stuff about Obama before he was elected - he would ruin the country, they would move to Canada, etc.  8 years later we're all still here.

    When we talk about founding principles, we have to think about what those actually were.  The founders wanted an enlightened/educated minority - white, land-owning men - to be the only population who could vote or run the country.  That was an extremely small and select group, and it cut out a huge swath of people from the political process.   Frankly, there's nothing at all democratic about that, regardless of the terminology they were using.  What we are seeing happen with Trump is much closer to a true democratic outcome. The masses are undermining the elite's plan.  
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  • I heard Boehner is endorsing Paul Ryan now and Ryan won't rule out running  -  this is getting crazier by the week.

    My MIL voted for Rubio yesterday and her and my DH were going at it on the phone last night because he called her when rubio dropped out.  She is terrified of Trump.  I'm not scared of him.  I am interested to see how he acts once in a general election.  If his attitude will change or not - probably not.
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  • hoffse said:
    There are a number of blue collar democrats crossing over for Trump.  They don't like Hillary because of the baggage (can't blame them), and they think Bernie is too extreme (also can't blame them).  I've met a few Trump supporters, and more than one has been a life-long democrat who can't stand how cushy that party has become.

    I also think a lot of people are voting for him but won't admit it.  That's why he does worse in states with caucuses, because there's a public shaming element to it since everybody can see your choice.

    I think he's an asshole, but I don't think he's as scary as some people are saying.  I'm really skeptical that he believes 95% of the stuff that comes out of his own mouth - and whatever he is, he isn't stupid.  Republicans were saying the same kind of stuff about Obama before he was elected - he would ruin the country, they would move to Canada, etc.  8 years later we're all still here.

    When we talk about founding principles, we have to think about what those actually were.  The founders wanted an enlightened/educated minority - white, land-owning men - to be the only population who could vote or run the country.  That was an extremely small and select group, and it cut out a huge swath of people from the political process.   Frankly, there's nothing at all democratic about that, regardless of the terminology they were using.  What we are seeing happen with Trump is much closer to a true democratic outcome. The masses are undermining the elite's plan.  

    I really agree with this.  I don't like Trump and I wouldn't vote for him because I don't think he is diplomatic enough to be President.  But, at the same time, I think many of his outlandish comments and sensationalism have just been manufactured for the campaign trail.  Because look...it's working.

    My one hope I cling to, if he is elected, is that he is a business savvy, intelligent person.  You can't be the buffoon he is currently pretending to be and become one of the wealthiest people on the planet.  He's always had a bombastic personality but, when he is no longer striving to be elected, I think he will turn into a much more sane version of himself.  At least that is my hope (sigh).

    And yeah, I get really sick and tired every time there is a presidential election of the losing side acting like "the sky is falling" and "our nation is ruined".  Such an eye roll.  Of course, its okay to be upset and be concerned, but most people's lives go on like they always have.  No reason this election would be any different than that, regardless of who ends up being elected.

    At the time Obama was first elected, I worked with a lot of very conservative people.  Some of them went out that same week to buy up a bunch of guns before Obama outlawed gun sales (or something like that).  Sure.  Fast forward 8 years and I'm pretty sure the process to buy a handgun is exactly the same as it was before Obama was elected.  Or I could just go buy one at a gun show where there is no vetting process AT ALL.  Maybe they are required to get my ID?  I'm not even sure they have to do that.  Maybe they'd only ask, for themselves, if I was paying with a credit card.  Because, you know, credit card fraud.

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  • He's not a stupid person and I also doubt he means what he says, but to me, that's scary.  Who the hell knows what he really thinks, believes, or knows?

    I did not feel this way about Obama.  I don't like him, but I didn't feel like the sky was falling.  But Obama didn't talk about banning a group of people or rounding people up by whatever force needed for deportation.  That kind of shit scares me.
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  • He's not a stupid person and I also doubt he means what he says, but to me, that's scary.  Who the hell knows what he really thinks, believes, or knows?

    Agreed!  I think (and hope) most of it is just a show but then, if its just a show, we really don't know anything about what his true agenda/policies/feelings are.



    I did not feel this way about Obama.  I don't like him, but I didn't feel like the sky was falling.  But Obama didn't talk about banning a group of people or rounding people up by whatever force needed for deportation.  That kind of shit scares me.

    I didn't mean to imply that everyone who didn't like Obama (or insert any other President) acted like the sky was falling, or that anyone is acting like that for the current election...even with all of our mutual great dislike for Trump...so I hope that was not the impression I gave.  I was just bombarded on an almost daily basis of the "sky is falling" people when Obama was first elected and even when he was reelected.  So it became one of my pet peeves.

    Trump's willingness (supposedly) to throw out some of our most basic freedoms guaranteed in the Bill of Rights is very concerning.  But then, I think that is some of the magic of our form of government.  We also have the Legislative and Judicial branches to keep any one President inside reasonable boxes.   

  • He's not a stupid person and I also doubt he means what he says, but to me, that's scary.  Who the hell knows what he really thinks, believes, or knows?

    I did not feel this way about Obama.  I don't like him, but I didn't feel like the sky was falling.  But Obama didn't talk about banning a group of people or rounding people up by whatever force needed for deportation.  That kind of shit scares me.
    I hear you.  I just think Trump is lying through his teeth about his intentions.  If you read the stuff he has said pre-election, he has years (decades!) of basically identifying himself as a democrat.  One of my coworkers calls it "Limousine Liberal."  I think that's the real Trump.

    I think he's smart, and he simply realized that there's a lot of lingering anger from both the Bush and Obama administrations, and he's saying what he has to say to tap into that.  The people voting for him really want to burn it all to the ground and start over again.  That's why all the Republican attempts at stopping it have backfired so spectacularly.  People are just done with "establishment" (from both sides).

    He's also tapping into classic American isolationism. Despite being a country of immigrants, we have a pretty perverse history of really fighting immigration (pick your group).  He's been playing that for months now, even though I don't think he believes it.  He has business deals all over the world.  He knows business in Asia,South America, and the Middle East probably better than any other candidate. I mean, he has golf courses in the UAE and hotels in Panama and Brazil.  He also realizes that the people voting for him don't understand it at all, and he's willing to fan their fears for the vote.
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  • Apparently the voters don't decide the nomination - the establishment does.  See article below:


    seriously couldn't imagine a paul ryan or mitt romney nominee again.  seriously?  Also, IMO Trump really seems like the only one that can beat hillary.  
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  • hoffsehoffse
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    vlagrl29 said:
    Apparently the voters don't decide the nomination - the establishment does.  See article below:


    seriously couldn't imagine a paul ryan or mitt romney nominee again.  seriously?  Also, IMO Trump really seems like the only one that can beat hillary.  
    It's true.  But good luck winning anything if they don't back Trump. It's going to completely outrage people, and then Trump will run as an independent and fracture the party completely.

    Also, fun times:


    EDIT: My bad, not the 90's - that photo is from 2005 when he married Melania.  Everybody was BFF back then!
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  • Hes a little over halfway to getting the delegates needed and I may be nuts but I think he will and there will be no brokered convention. …… I feel I"m watching the GOP implode.
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  • Today  (or yesterday)-Trump said that if the GOP denies him the election in a brokered convention, there will be rioting. And I actually believe that's true.

    I also agree with a lot of you that Trump is being far more extreme for the votes than he would be in real life, but his flip-flopping and failure to define any policy makes me worry that even he has no idea what he's going to do once he's in office. I feel like he's in this to win the most powerful seat in the world-but that's really it.  I will not vote for him. I think that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, the promotion of violence, and the offensive tone of his so-called "leadership" is worse than Hillary's lying. 

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  • Today  (or yesterday)-Trump said that if the GOP denies him the election in a brokered convention, there will be rioting. And I actually believe that's true.

    I also agree with a lot of you that Trump is being far more extreme for the votes than he would be in real life, but his flip-flopping and failure to define any policy makes me worry that even he has no idea what he's going to do once he's in office. I feel like he's in this to win the most powerful seat in the world-but that's really it.  I will not vote for him. I think that racism, bigotry, xenophobia, the promotion of violence, and the offensive tone of his so-called "leadership" is worse than Hillary's lying. 

    One of my favorite dad-isms was, "The kind of people I would like to see as President, are the kind of people who would be unlikely to run for that position."
  • snp605snp605
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    I just cringe when I hear people use words like "scared" when talking about this election and act like the sky is falling. Violence has been part of the political process forever including in America. There have been mass riots during the campaign processes in America as long as we've been around and we are all still here. Robert Kennedy was SHOT after winning his primary. Riot broke out during George Wallace's speech in Chicago in 1968. There were hundreds of arrests in 2004 during the Republican convention due to violent outbursts.

    Using the media way of overreacting and overanalyzing every single piece of speech everyone uses in the process these days, Obama should have been crucified for saying the following at a speech in Philadelphia “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl." Using the standard applied to Trump, was Obama inciting violence?  He also told people to "get in their face" and "punch back twice as hard".

    I'm not a Trump supporter and I didn't vote for him but the hand wringing and overdramatized doomsaying has got me tempted to in the general election. I have several friends who initially didn't support him but due to the media driven (because it makes a good sensationalized story doesn't it?!) story about how he's practically the anti-christ has caused a backlash among people who don't want to vote Democrat but feel lied to by the current Republican officeholders. As a practical matter, maybe the GOP NEEDS to implode. What they are doing now isn't working and it's obviously not what people want.

    I'd also add that some of it could be characterized as a protest vote of sorts- they are trying to send a message of sorts. Used to be most conservatives did it by voting 3rd party. Trump is a way of voting out what people see are the ones who are not living up to their promises while still voting for someone who has a snowball's chance of getting elected and upholding some basic conservative principles. There are people who have voted for dumber reasons. People vote because someone seems like a nice guy on tv or he is good looking or because he is their same race or whatever random thought that is on their mind. It just so happens that Trump allows several different interests to converge (the people who like celebrity, the people who want a political outsider, the people who want a so-called conservative but are pissed at the current conservative leadership, people who hate the media and are drawn to mount the charge against those they see wronged by the media etc) which has given him a perfect storm of numbers that makes him a viable candidate. It's not fair to discredit all of those people's reasons for voting for him which are not racist or violent and lump them in with the segment of people who *might* be. I can guarantee that there are people who are voting for Hillary solely based on the fact that she IS a woman and that right there is discriminatory.




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  • BlueBirdMBBlueBirdMB
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    I agree that Trump is incredibly politically calculated. Maybe the most calculated politician I have ever seen- thus the changes in positions on a daily basis. And isn't that what people were rebelling against? Political tricks? It's insane to me that people can't see that they are voting for the exact thing they dislike. 

     I will keep using the word scary. Do I think the country will implode in anarchy? No. But I have been surprised at just how much power the president does have since Obama became president and I will continue to worry about the path we are on if we elect someone with such fear-mongering, bigoted rhetoric. What if that rhetoric is real? Why do we assume he can't possibly believe his words? We've been in similar positions in our society before and have pulled ourselves out but not until after much violence. 

     He's out now, but regardless of whether you like Rubio or not, this sums up some of my feelings: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ztdzg5kssXk 

     And for everyone who thinks Trump was the best shot at beating Hilary, look at polls. Anyone with a pulse could have beat her easier than Trump. Every other front running republican beats her regularly in polling. He will be fighting an uphill battle and will majorly have to change his tune to win. Recent polling had her beating him by larger numbers than we have seen in modern history.
  • BlueBirdMBBlueBirdMB
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    hoffse said:
    He's not a stupid person and I also doubt he means what he says, but to me, that's scary.  Who the hell knows what he really thinks, believes, or knows?

    I did not feel this way about Obama.  I don't like him, but I didn't feel like the sky was falling.  But Obama didn't talk about banning a group of people or rounding people up by whatever force needed for deportation.  That kind of shit scares me.
    I hear you.  I just think Trump is lying through his teeth about his intentions.  If you read the stuff he has said pre-election, he has years (decades!) of basically identifying himself as a democrat.  One of my coworkers calls it "Limousine Liberal."  I think that's the real Trump.

    I think he's smart, and he simply realized that there's a lot of lingering anger from both the Bush and Obama administrations, and he's saying what he has to say to tap into that.  The people voting for him really want to burn it all to the ground and start over again.  That's why all the Republican attempts at stopping it have backfired so spectacularly.  People are just done with "establishment" (from both sides).

    He's also tapping into classic American isolationism. Despite being a country of immigrants, we have a pretty perverse history of really fighting immigration (pick your group).  He's been playing that for months now, even though I don't think he believes it.  He has business deals all over the world.  He knows business in Asia,South America, and the Middle East probably better than any other candidate. I mean, he has golf courses in the UAE and hotels in Panama and Brazil.  He also realizes that the people voting for him don't understand it at all, and he's willing to fan their fears for the vote.

    That's why I'm going to say that most people voting for Trump are intellectually lazy. They haven't taken the time to put 2 and 2 together
  • I'm curious why some people think the GOP needs to implode.  Obviously the base has been very frustrated for a while and has been fragmented.  I could see that for those reasons, a restructuring is necessary.  I think the underlying message needs to be changed and updated to make the party more inclusive. 

    However, I've heard people say (some IRL and some in the media) that they are "tired of losing" and that's why the GOP needs to implode or that's why they need to vote for Trump or Cruz (the fighters).  The GOP hasn't lost more races than the DNC.  It's pretty even.  In fact, we've followed a typical pattern.  We elected a Dem President, gave him a Dem Congress for a few years.  Then slowly Congress switched to the other side.  That happens all the time.  Before our Dem President, we had a Rep President who had a similar pattern with Congress.  I don't know if anyone here subscribes to this way of thinking, but if you do, I'm be curious to hear why you believe that the GOP is "losing".
  • hoffse said:
    He's not a stupid person and I also doubt he means what he says, but to me, that's scary.  Who the hell knows what he really thinks, believes, or knows?

    I did not feel this way about Obama.  I don't like him, but I didn't feel like the sky was falling.  But Obama didn't talk about banning a group of people or rounding people up by whatever force needed for deportation.  That kind of shit scares me.
    I hear you.  I just think Trump is lying through his teeth about his intentions.  If you read the stuff he has said pre-election, he has years (decades!) of basically identifying himself as a democrat.  One of my coworkers calls it "Limousine Liberal."  I think that's the real Trump.

    I think he's smart, and he simply realized that there's a lot of lingering anger from both the Bush and Obama administrations, and he's saying what he has to say to tap into that.  The people voting for him really want to burn it all to the ground and start over again.  That's why all the Republican attempts at stopping it have backfired so spectacularly.  People are just done with "establishment" (from both sides).

    He's also tapping into classic American isolationism. Despite being a country of immigrants, we have a pretty perverse history of really fighting immigration (pick your group).  He's been playing that for months now, even though I don't think he believes it.  He has business deals all over the world.  He knows business in Asia,South America, and the Middle East probably better than any other candidate. I mean, he has golf courses in the UAE and hotels in Panama and Brazil.  He also realizes that the people voting for him don't understand it at all, and he's willing to fan their fears for the vote.

    That's why I'm going to say that most people voting for Trump are intellectually lazy.


    But they ALL do this to some degree. Does the phrase "I was against it before I was for it" ring any bells? I think the term limosine liberal is probably pretty accurate. He's very socially liberal in the sense of pro-choice,  and seems very go with the flow on social issues even if he disagrees. His drug policy is very liberal (and I'm actually on board with that) and I'm on board with the idea that cutting taxes helps the general economy. He hates the ACA and so do I. In fact the ACA is a HUGE issue for me and if it came down to voting for him or HIllary I might just have to hold my nose and do it. Without watching the media drama happen thereby taking the emotion out of if and just looking at the candidates on paper, he's probably my best bet. Whether I can stomach it or not is another story.
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  • snp605 said:
     I can guarantee that there are people who are voting for Hillary solely based on the fact that she IS a woman and that right there is discriminatory.




    I can guarantee there are a lot of people who specifically aren't voting for her because she is a woman.  It is a disgusting attitude, either way.

    And, unfortunately, we saw the same thing when Obama first ran.  People who voted for him just because "oh cool, we'll have our first black president" and people who would never vote for him because he was black.  And, going off topic again, I think that says a lot about how we view race in our country.  Because actually, he is mixed race.  Yet both ends of the spectrum, from the Ku Klux Klan to Al Sharpton, only describe his race as black.

    Leading up to Obama's first election, one of my coworkers at the time who had literally said the phrase, "Well I'm sorry, but I'm PROUD to be racist!"  (sigh).  And that wasn't even in response to anything about Obama.  I'm very anti-confrontational, especially in the workplace, but she'd made a racist comment in my presence and I gently chastised her that the comment was inappropriate because it was racist.  At any rate, the "Proud" comment was her response.

    After this experience, she did at least start qualifying her racist comments, at least to me, with "I know you don't agree with me but..."  Her words at the time about Obama were, "I'd never vote for Obama.  He's a black and a Democrat.  I'm sorry (insert qualifier), but I'd never vote for a black man and I couldn't imagine ever voting for a Democrat."  I couldn't help myself.  I asked her what she would do if in a future election, the GOP candidate was black.  She looked stunned and horrified, but thought about it for a moment and admitted she just wouldn't know what she would do in that situation.   

  • I don't think the GOP needs to implode - but they are now seeing the result of what happens when you get elected in office and don't do your job.

    I think with all the drama going on with Trump will result in more voters that just hate being told how to vote and how the GOP is trying to take the votes from Trump.  Like its "fixed" which people already think it is anyways.

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  • I would love to see the GOP fracture and form a more moderate wing and a radical wing. That would let part of the party swing back to the left where the Republicans started.
  • vlagrl29vlagrl29
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    The Largest civil disobedience action is being planned now.  These people drive me nuts.  they are being paid to do this.



    ETA - it's not peaceful protesting.  They are doing these riots because they don't like the racism, bigotry, etc that they are claiming comes out of Trump YET they are behaving the same way.  I'm just about sick of it.
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  • But I just pray that if, whoever gets elected wants to repeal the ACA, they don't just blindly throw out the baby with the bath water.  Because what we had before was barbaric.

    I know I am always getting on my soapbox about this, but I've found that most people...unless they or someone very close to them has a major medical condition...just have no idea that, before the ACA, hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people could not buy independent insurance AT ANY PRICE for ANY TYPE because of a pre-existing condition.  Could.Not.Buy.Insurance.  NOT EVEN a "calamity" plan where at least if something major happened...not related to their condition...they would still be covered.  Not even that.

    Think about what your life would be like if you were unemployed and not allowed to buy any type of health insurance.  But you're not feeling well.  So you go to the emergency room, because you can't afford to see your regular doctor.  You wait 12+ hours.  But finally get to see the doctor.  Bad news.  You need to have your appendix removed.  Pretty routine, low risk surgery.  Except it is going to cost $25K-$40K.  You've had health insurance most of your adult life.  This incident just happened to occur in the 3 months you were in between jobs.  But that doesn't matter, does it?  You don't have insurance now because no one would sell you an independent policy, even before the appendix problem.  Where are you going to get the money?  What are you going to do?

    Sure, at least the hospital will do the surgery because it is medically necessary without all or even any of the money up front.  But they still expect you to pay for it.  That's not the kind of money most people can just throw around.  It would have a devastating effect on most people's finances for many years to come and/or wipe out much of what they have worked their whole lives for.  Never mind if something really serious happened while not being allowed to buy insurance, like being diagnosed with cancer.

    Thankfully, I entirely made up the story about the appendix needing to be removed.  But that was exactly the kind of thing I was the most terrified about for the year I was unemployed (at the worst part of the economic downturn) and couldn't find any company to sell me even a catastrophic policy.  Never mind that I haven't set foot in a hospital for 20 years.  And while my scenario might have been made up, I would expect there are many many real examples of something like that happening to people in the decades before the ACA.

  • I am obviously not reading the same thing. Because that all sounds relatively peaceful to me. They aren't talking about kicking anyone out or punching people in the face. But I am not sure it will accomplish anything. They don't exactly outline what they want Congress to do.
  • But I just pray that if, whoever gets elected wants to repeal the ACA, they don't just blindly throw out the baby with the bath water.  Because what we had before was barbaric.

    I know I am always getting on my soapbox about this, but I've found that most people...unless they or someone very close to them has a major medical condition...just have no idea that, before the ACA, hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people could not buy independent insurance AT ANY PRICE for ANY TYPE because of a pre-existing condition.  Could.Not.Buy.Insurance.  NOT EVEN a "calamity" plan where at least if something major happened...not related to their condition...they would still be covered.  Not even that.

    Think about what your life would be like if you were unemployed and not allowed to buy any type of health insurance.  But you're not feeling well.  So you go to the emergency room, because you can't afford to see your regular doctor.  You wait 12+ hours.  But finally get to see the doctor.  Bad news.  You need to have your appendix removed.  Pretty routine, low risk surgery.  Except it is going to cost $25K-$40K.  You've had health insurance most of your adult life.  This incident just happened to occur in the 3 months you were in between jobs.  But that doesn't matter, does it?  You don't have insurance now because no one would sell you an independent policy, even before the appendix problem.  Where are you going to get the money?  What are you going to do?

    Sure, at least the hospital will do the surgery because it is medically necessary without all or even any of the money up front.  But they still expect you to pay for it.  That's not the kind of money most people can just throw around.  It would have a devastating effect on most people's finances for many years to come and/or wipe out much of what they have worked their whole lives for.  Never mind if something really serious happened while not being allowed to buy insurance, like being diagnosed with cancer.

    Thankfully, I entirely made up the story about the appendix needing to be removed.  But that was exactly the kind of thing I was the most terrified about for the year I was unemployed (at the worst part of the economic downturn) and couldn't find any company to sell me even a catastrophic policy.  Never mind that I haven't set foot in a hospital for 20 years.  And while my scenario might have been made up, I would expect there are many many real examples of something like that happening to people in the decades before the ACA.


    I hear ya - I agree as well.  Insurance was a nightmare for us as well before ACA - I needed hernia repair a few years ago but it was a pre-existing condition because I got it when pregnant.  Also my sinus infection was pre existing because the doctor coded it as chronic so I had to have the doc resubmit the claim as a cold so it would pay out.  The insurance company was wanting me to OK getting 5 years of medical records from my family doc.  I said no way and they sounded shocked I said no.

    I've told DH we need to hurry up and get pregnant with #2 so it will only cost us $1k.  I surely hope that the pre existing clauses are still there otherwise my pregnancy will be a pre existing condition if not.  I would think though that whomever gets elected on the R side that if they got in it would take them a couple years to write up whatever they were going to replace it with.
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