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Re: Pet Ownership

We have all seen the differing opinions of the members of this board regarding pet ownership.

Frankly, I'm very frustrated with the hypocrisy that I have seen on this board today.

The basic fact of the matter is that CaseBride and LM3B's are doing what they feel is best for their families and for their personal?situation. They should both have equal freedom and equal support to do what they feel is best for their situations.

I find it disgusting that while one person is raked over the coals for her family's difficult decision, another is praised.

Either way, it's a difficult decision to give up a pet, regardless of the circumstances, and I think we need to remember to respect our fellow Nesties whether we agree with what they are doing, or not.

Re: Re: Pet Ownership

  • Let's see...

    Space issues do not equal Bite agressiveness and working with professional trainers/behaviorists.

    Not having 3 ft. of space the litter box takes up... or having a bruised and bitten arm.

    You don't see the disconnect here?

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • image KatieKeller#2:

    Either way, it's a difficult decision to give up a pet, regardless of the circumstances, and I think we need to remember to respect our fellow Nesties whether we agree with what they are doing, or not.

    No.  We don't.  I'm sorry, but I don't have to respect someone who I completely and utterly disagree with.  I don't expect respect.  I know I have to earn it.  As well, I know that I can lose it too.  Respect is not an automatic right.

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • My point is that we shouldn't judge people for situations that we are not a part of.?

    Plus, even if you don't agree with someone's decision doesn't mean that it's right for you to argue with the person in a disrespectful way. Being respectful is a basic behavior that we are taught as small children and I would expect to see a group of mature women exercise that same behavior.

    Let's take the political debates for example. We saw two candidates with completely differing opinions, but they still managed to see respectful debate between two people.?

  • Actually, I think you would have started this post anyway because all differing opinions on this board are considered "not respectful."

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • Unfortunately the butterflies and rainbows thing doesn't always happen on a huge board, especially on hot button topics.  This board has been fairly transparent about feelings about animals, etc.  I'm surprised it's actually been as civil as it has been, to be honest...
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  • image pixy_stix:

    Actually, I think you would have started this post anyway because all differing opinions on this board are considered "not respectful."

    I completely disagree. 9/10 times we can all agree to disagree.  It's when you get involved that things get nasty.  

  • I see respecting others' decisions and difficult situations as tolerance.  Passing judgment and harsh criticism is just spewing hatred.  If I disagree with someone who's gay and bashes them for it that's not ok, and it's considered being intolerant, so why would bashing someone for having to make a tough decision to get rid of a pet be any more acceptable?  Bashing is bashing and hatred no matter how you look at it.
  • image schoolsoutbride:
    image pixy_stix:

    Actually, I think you would have started this post anyway because all differing opinions on this board are considered "not respectful."

    I completely disagree. 9/10 times we can all agree to disagree.  It's when you get involved that things get nasty.  

    I would say because most people don't really say how they feel.  It's all glossed over with a varnish and we plaster our stepford wife smiles on again.

    Then we talk *shit* about each other behind our backs.  Personally, I'd rather have it all out in the open.

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • image safy:
    I see respecting others' decisions and difficult situations as tolerance.  Passing judgment and harsh criticism is just spewing hatred.  If I disagree with someone who's gay and bashes them for it that's not ok, and it's considered being intolerant, so why would bashing someone for having to make a tough decision to get rid of a pet be any more acceptable?  Bashing is bashing and hatred no matter how you look at it.

    I know it's not acceptable to do the child/pet thing, but really... would you advocate her getting rid of her child if she ran out of space in her house?  No, you'd say "buy a bigger house."

    Pets are disposable, and that's the root issue of the cause.  I'm tired of people thinking they can just throw their animals out with the trash, which is what she's in essence doing.

    Yes, I say so with passion and conviction.  I'm not about to go burn a stuffed rabbit outside her house, though.  Nor am I going to say that she's a bad mother, because I don't know that.  Her actions prove that she's a bad pet owner though.  I haven't said anything about her that isn't directly linked to her actions in the getting rid of the rabbit post.

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • image pixy_stix:

    I would say because most people don't really say how they feel.  It's all glossed over with a varnish and we plaster our stepford wife smiles on again.

    Then we talk *shit* about each other behind our backs.  Personally, I'd rather have it all out in the open.

    I would say it's because most people have courtesy and decent respect and that you seem to get a kick out of ripping people a new one when you can do it from the safety of a keyboard.


  • image safy:
    I see respecting others' decisions and difficult situations as tolerance.  Passing judgment and harsh criticism is just spewing hatred.  If I disagree with someone who's gay and bashes them for it that's not ok, and it's considered being intolerant, so why would bashing someone for having to make a tough decision to get rid of a pet be any more acceptable?  Bashing is bashing and hatred no matter how you look at it.

    I agree with this.  If you don't agree with someone, there are other ways of trying to get them to see your side of it.  I think that insulting them just upsets them and doesn't help them to understand why you feel so passionate about what you feel is right.

    For the record, I agree with Pixy but wouldn't have said it the same way...or even close.

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  • Good points, KK2. 

    Just stopping in to hand "Emily Post's Guide to Etiquette" to Pixy...Devil

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  • image schoolsoutbride:

    I would say it's because most people have courtesy and decent respect and that you seem to get a kick out of ripping people a new one when you can do it from the safety of a keyboard.

    Actually, I'll do it in your face as well.  I don't have to hide.

    I could say the same thing to you, though.  You're perfectly content to sit in front of your monitor and let it rip.

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • Not sure how "Let's all pile on Pixy" is respectful, nor butterflies and rainbows...Yeah, she might not say things as "tactfully" or in the same way, but she is sincere, and she doesn't hide behind her keyboard...she's like this in person, too :) and she's passionate, deeply passionate, just as all of us are about our own personal causes.

    :::ducking out, since I'm not as good at not taking flaming personally...I just couldn't take watching the "Pixy is the devil" :::

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  • Again, my post is only about respect. I'm not out to make Pixy into a devil, nor am I trying to make anyone else out to be an angel.

    We should respect Pixy for her opinions and we should respect anyone with a differing opinion the same way.

    It's simple, really.?

  • I hope my post didn't come across in a bad way.  I was just trying to say that there are better ways to get your point across.

    I think pixy is great in person.  I had fun hanging out with her at the knottie bachelorette party!  Party!!!

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  • image MTbridess:

    Good points, KK2. 

    Just stopping in to hand "Emily Post's Guide to Etiquette" to Pixy...Devil

    I love this quote, "Well behaved women rarely make history."

    The shelter that was shut down because I didn't sit down and shut up would probably still be churning out sick dogs.  Sure, they would have been shut down eventually, but someone needed to be a loudmouth and get the word out there.  I was happy to be that loudmouth.  I will always be that loudmouth.

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • image MrsKelleyT:

    I hope my post didn't come across in a bad way.  I was just trying to say that there are better ways to get your point across.

    I realize that my approach is not the most tactful.  Big Smile

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • image pixy_stix:

    Actually, I'll do it in your face as well.  I don't have to hide.

    I could say the same thing to you, though.  You're perfectly content to sit in front of your monitor and let it rip.

    Only when people are unnecessarily mean to people I care about.



  • image KatieKeller#2:

    The basic fact of the matter is that CaseBride and LM3B's are doing what they feel is best for their families and for their personal situation. They should both have equal freedom and equal support to do what they feel is best for their situations.

    I don't agree that everyone has to support their decisions, but like you said, it is a personal decision.

    It sounds like both of them are doing what they think is best, and if nothing else should be respected as people even if you don't agree with them.

     

  • I say this with respect to Felicia, because I think she's great - but - these two situations are COMPLETELY different.  I agree that a little tact and respect goes a long way when taking people's individual situations into consideration, but rehoming an abusive animal and rehoming a pet because of space issues are two.separate.issues.  We don't have room for Jeff, Rex, and I and two babies in this house, but we aren't going anywhere (mostly because we can't afford to, LOL).  We'll make it work.
  • Maybe it's the Monte Python rabbit and we just don't know it...???
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    Maybe it's the Monte Python rabbit and we just don't know it...???

    LMAO!  :)

    Waiting for some innocuous creativity... I'll let you know.
  • image schoolsoutbride:
    image pixy_stix:

    Actually, I think you would have started this post anyway because all differing opinions on this board are considered "not respectful."

    I completely disagree. 9/10 times we can all agree to disagree.  It's when you get involved that things get nasty.  

    Without starting anything (ok, who am I kidding?  this is a whole other can of worms) - you said some pretty nasty things to Domer about Prop 8 that while most people might agree with you they would never say to someone in the manner you did.  What you said IMO was far worse than what Pixy said now or ever said.

  • I've stayed out of this whole thing, but I do think there is a huge difference between aggression and space issues.  Having to get rid of a dog because of aggression is heartbreaking, but in some situations it  necessary.  If you've done everything you can and the dog is still aggressive, I couldn't judge that person for making that decision.  My family once had to make that decision and it was so sad, but the dog had bitten many people over the years and nothing stopped him... finally he bit a young child and then attacked my dad. We were all heartbroken but my parents felt they had no choice at that point. 

    In my opinion, there is a big difference between that and finding space for a cage.  I think you adopt a pet for life, and IMO a few feet of space is not an acceptable reason to give up on that commitment.   If I got pregnant with triplets and DH lost his job and we had to move to a 400 sqft apartment, we would still find room for Cookie.  She is a member of our family and we love her and wouldn't get rid of her for anything.  Aggression and physical danger is unfortunate, but I can see how a family might have to give up a dog for that reason.

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  • I seem to have missed something...  Hmm  :::runs off to check:::

    Okay, having read up on it, while I may wholly disagree with someone's decision to rehome a pet due to the rationale behind the decision (and chances are I would -- especially as I just added a 70lb rescue dog when we're expecting again plus our geriatric cat with a likely thyroid issue), the thing is if a person has made that decision, chances are the animal is better off elsewhere anyway given that.  So while I may raise eyebrows and question the rationale, I'm not going to try to browbeat someone into keeping a pet even when I think the reasons are questionable because chances are the animal is better off with a more dedicated pet owner anyway.


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  • image Sunflower22:

    Without starting anything (ok, who am I kidding?  this is a whole other can of worms) - you said some pretty nasty things to Domer about Prop 8 that while most people might agree with you they would never say to someone in the manner you did.  What you said IMO was far worse than what Pixy said now or ever said.

    Like I said "Only when people are unnecessarily mean to people I care about."  IMO, being joyful about stripping rights of others is unnecessarily mean.  That's an old can of worms, though that I don't have the energy to open again.  That's also one case, whereas Pixy makes it her hobby.


     

  • Either way, people in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.  I'm not saying that what Pixy does is right or that I always agree with her, because I don't - but regardless of one case vs. 25 cases, doing it at all and then calling someone out for doing it is hypocritical.
  • image schoolsoutbride:
    image Sunflower22:

    Without starting anything (ok, who am I kidding?  this is a whole other can of worms) - you said some pretty nasty things to Domer about Prop 8 that while most people might agree with you they would never say to someone in the manner you did.  What you said IMO was far worse than what Pixy said now or ever said.

    Like I said "Only when people are unnecessarily mean to people I care about."  IMO, being joyful about stripping rights of others is unnecessarily mean.  That's an old can of worms, though that I don't have the energy to open again.  That's also one case, whereas Pixy makes it her hobby.

    I do?  When was the last time I berated someone, other than the rabbit case yesterday?

    I would like to introduce you to the pot, schoolsout, since you're obviously the kettle.

    Getting rid of an animal because of space issues is unnecessarily mean to the animal.  Oh wait, since you didn't say it, then it doesn't count does it.  I see your rationale now.

    A big old middle finger to you, stupid Nest.
  • The situations were completely different and deserved completely different responses. Although I am a big advocate for respecting people on this board even if you disagree with them, it is very difficult for people to respect someone whose actions are despised.
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